[Maker]

Originally Posted by Toymeister

He was clearly not roĺling down his window. I see no problem with LEOs removing him from the car and detaining him.

The same result would happen to anyone of any race in the same circumstances.

Does anyone of at least average intelligence actually think the white male would get a pass for this?

Prior to the point you are referencing...
He already did roll down the window all the way. Talked with the officer. Presented his drivers license. Officer then walks away, and then he rolled up the window.
Hill has stated he was attempting to prevent people stopping, jamming up traffic as they were trying to take photographs.

Once on the ground, look carefully for the officers to search for a weapon. That is the excuse we will hear for ripping him out of his car. Courts have ruled that drivers have no obligation to roll down windows.

Other news sites are reporting the people stopping beyond the scene were team mates. One was detained and handcuffed. I'm sure there will be more to come out about that.

The person on the phone Hill was talking with was the head of Dolphins security.

Looks like the officers were doing a few things. Teach a lesson to obey everything they say, even if those commands are not legal or necessary. Show Hill who is the "boss". Officers can disrespect anyone they want, at any time, for any reason.

Wonder is this is the norm there? Is everyone treated like that? Did they happen to just pick on the wrong guy this time - someone famous who will garner attention even if he doesn't want it?

[Maker]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

You make the HUGE assumption that when an officer makes a traffic stop that the vehicle's occupant is a normal law-abiding citizen and NOT a violent offender with a warrant. When you do this for a living, you do not take that gamble because you have ZERO idea who is in that car. You err on the side of YOUR survival, not err on the side of hurting someone's feelings.

It's okay though, I understand your point of view - after all, you probably watched a lot of cop shows on T.V. Of course you know how to do that life-threatening job better than the people that actually do it everyday. It's not like there's a lot of life risk in being a lawyer or working in corporate America. Heck, I've watched a lot of YouTube videos so I'm a professional plumber now also.

You don't know me. Or my background. Please refrain from disrespecting in the future.

[MorTech]

Why wouldn't he roll down his tinted window when asked?
What would you be thinking?
Think it through.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by mraines

I would hate to see what would have happened if he were not famous. I'm sorry, but white cops abuse their power with black men.

The RACE card? "Abuse "? Maybe just depends on how the initial contact goes and adjust accordingly to get the appropriate response. I saw the video. Right from the get go I could see the disrespect of Mr T. And it continued.
And the guy that pulled over, parking illegally, blocking traffic, not leaving after being told to move his vehicle, and ingeneral being a pain ita. He wanted video. Every cop car and every cop has video. He had no right to interfere by being a distraction.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

The RACE card? "Abuse "? Maybe just depends on how the initial contact goes and adjust accordingly to get the appropriate response. I saw the video. Right from the get go I could see the disrespect of Mr T. And it continued.
And the guy that pulled over, parking illegally, blocking traffic, not leaving after being told to move his vehicle, and ingeneral being a pain ita. He wanted video. Every cop car and every cop has video. He had no right to interfere by being a distraction.

Not. Even. Close.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by mraines

If you are a white male it is a whole different ball game.

If a the stop had been made exactly the same with the exception of Tyreek being white, I think it would have been pretty much the same. Protocol depends on actions and attitude, respect and response.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. Besides, we will never know.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by MorTech

Why wouldn't he roll down his tinted window when asked?
What would you be thinking?
Think it through.

Couldn't find the down button?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

If a the stop had been made exactly the same with the exception of Tyreek being white, I think it would have been pretty much the same. Protocol depends on actions and attitude, respect and response.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. Besides, we will never know.

I don’t remember the video of Scheffler being thrown to the ground, twice, after being accused of disobeying an officer and dragging him with his car. Perhaps it’s a more severe penalty for not rolling a window completely down.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Not. Even. Close.

Well, guess we will have to agree to disagree. I'm going by what I saw on the video compared to others I have seen. Cops don't coddle those who disrespect them. Not rolling your window down or opening your door when told too, rolling the window up while the cop is talking to you is an inexcusable sign of disrespect and defiance.
Jmho

[shaw8700@outlook.com]

Every time there is some trouble with white cops and black citizens, this happens. Why? Because it’s easy. You have to get past this, society in the whole certainly has.

Better if you say LEO’s and citizens - that’s when the racism stops. Because when say white versus black you’re reflecting your own racism.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Maker

The police way overreacted and handled the situation extremely badly.
It was a traffic stop, did not involve a chase, was not a known felon, and no weapons were involved.

Incidents like this are hugely detrimental to building and maintaining the public's positive opinion of the police.

EDIT - More bodycam footage due to be released from the 6 police officers at that traffic stop. I also would be interested in hearing the radio transmissions. What was said that necessitated that amount of police?

& you say that, because Tyreek Hill has such a sterling record of staying out of trouble?

Domestic Violence (& thrown off his college team).

Child Abuse (Suspended by the KC Chiefs).

Assault in Miami Beach

Currently being sued by Sophie Hall for breaking her leg.

Tyreek Hill'''s timeline of trouble: From a domestic violence arrest in college to Sophie Hall lawsuit with Dolphins | Sporting News

[scubawva]

“was not a known felon,..”

The Officers had no idea who was driving, therefore no idea if a known felon or not, until ID shown and a check made.

Rule 1. Comply with LEO
Rule 2. See rule 1

[Stu from NYC]

Tinted window, he closed it how did the cops know if he had a gun in his hand.

They had every right to pull him out of his car but seemed to go too far in throwing him onto the ground.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by mraines

I would hate to see what would have happened if he were not famous. I'm sorry, but white cops abuse their power with black men.

Good thing these officers were Hispanic, right?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by blueash

It was less than one minute before they pulled him out and had him face down. Hill did unroll his window, presented his license and then rolled it back up. The cop demanded he roll it back down and didn't wait or explain, no he just dragged Hill out. DIdn't let him get out on his own which he seemed willing and able to do. Hill never threated the cop. Then face down on the concrete, knee on his back. If the cop "needed" to cuff Hill, somewhere in his training he might have learned how to do that with a person standing and not fighting, somewhere. But he chose the most physical demeaning "see what I can do to you" method.


Then a different cop forces him to sit, why? Power play. Hill was cuffed, had not resisted, did not present a flee risk, couldn't do anything. Why force him, physically push him to the ground?

Bullies with badges. Unless more video/audio says something entirely different than what we have seen so far you'd have to be seriously in denial to call this good policing and not call it unnecessary police brutality.

Scottie has been mentioned. He was actually arrested and booked and somehow they managed to arrest him without physical force. But that was a white guy. Maybe that made a difference.

Maybe it was because Scheffler complied with their LAWFUL orders...