[CFrance]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Anything is a possibility.

(I just finished a Jonathan Kellerman novel)

You replied too soon! Just listen to it. It'll brighten your day.

[OCsun]

Originally Posted by SFSkol

Rap has many poetry elements,
Most rappers cannot sing, like elephants.
Folk songwriters with attitudes,
Who think their words are platitudes.
Some are written, others not.
Often listeners say, "What?"
Are they songs without a beat?
Because, wouldn't that be neat?
Most rhyming skills are capable,
But never one to be memorable.

"Peace and Love, Man," frowning with arms crossed.

Awesome job!

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Well then I would say you do know what rap is.

I like Night on Bald Mountain. I dislike jazz. I like oldies rock and up to the '90s. I love classical music. I don't like country.

I don't care if I don't know what they are. To each his own.

Here's Mozart done on a banjo. Watch the musician's face. How can you not love how he's into his music. That can be true with any artist in any form of music.
Rondo Alla Turca - Fast Banjo! - Jamie Dupuis - YouTube

Excellent link...thanks.

I basically share your music tastes (except I don't care for 'western,' in addition to 'country' )...but have come 180 degrees on how I view mainstream rap.

While I wouldn't let my teenage children listen to the 'Gangsta' style with the profanity/misogyny/N-word/violence against LEO's/etc. lyrics around me, long interesting discussions with them...made me look at some rap in a totally different way.

I was once one of those that was 'stuck' on the idea that music had to have a certain beat/rythm/cadence (I admit to being totally untalented with instruments)...for it to actually be 'music.'

What my very bright and articulate children explained to me though, is that good rap actually was more the 'modern folk music' of the young...and discussed all of the issues/problems/situations that we've all went through in becoming adults.

Once that idea settled in, I started listening closer to the lyrics and by golly...there is some real art (which I know a bit about) coming from rappers.

So, I came to the conclusion that it really boils down to how entrenched and inflexible one is in their thoughts/prejudices/views...as to whether they think rap is music.

I also believe that the dislike for most rappers has another very important & ugly component, but since I don't want this post deleted I won't delve into it...but I think most know what I'm talking about.

I still don't choose to listen to rap as my first choice, but my opinion of it has evolved to having an appreciation for the talent it takes...and the reality for many that it describes.

[Nucky]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I have read some VERY interesting comments on this thread but still think I like Night on Bald Mountain better than;


I see you standin' there and know you cool.

You ain't no rapper and you ain't no fool.

You talkin sweet baby and I hear you mama

You ringin' my chimes and makin me warmah






Howm I doin????

You just need the Gold Grill, a Heavy Gold Link Necklace and

An Impressive Manager! Good Job Homey! I'll be over wit da

contract? Solid? Word?

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Nucky

You just need the Gold Grill, a Heavy Gold Link Necklace and

An Impressive Manager! Good Job Homey! I'll be over wit da

contract? Solid? Word?

Love you are your baby mama.

[Nucky]

NopE I just like practicing. Lol

[Carl in Tampa]

Well, I was accused of "profiling" with my characterization of rap as being anti-police. What is now called profiling used to be called "good police work." I notice that another poster, who I know has a police background, agrees with me.

Here's a sample of ANTI POLICE rap, much of which you don't hear on radio because it is too filthy to be permitted by the FCC.

2 Pac - Open Fire
2 Pac - Soulja's Story
2 Pac - Violent
50 Cent - Officer Down
The Bost6n - Still FTP
Big L featuring Fat Joe - The Enemy
Blahzay Blahzay - Good Cop Bad Cop
Blue Scholars - Oscar Grant
Body Count - Cop Killer
Bone-thugs-n-harmony - No Surrender
Bone-thugs-n-harmony - Still no Surrender
Boogie Down Productions - Bo! Bo! Bo!
Boogie Down Productions - 30 Cops or More
Boogie Down Productions - Who Protects Us From You?
Brand Nubian - Claimin' I'm A Criminal
CES Cru - Gridlock
Chamillionaire - Ridin' Dirty
China Mac - Buck a Cop
Cypress Hill - Pigs
David Banner - The Greatest Story Ever Told
Dead Prez - Cop Shot
Dead Prez - I Have a Dream Too
Dead Prez- Police State
Dead Prez - Walk Like a Warrior
Eminem - Untouchable
Fabolous featuring Paul Cain & Nate Dogg - Po Po
Geto Boys - Crooked Cop
Game, The - 911 Is A Joke
Hard Knocks - Road To The Precinct
Heems- NYC Cops
Ice Cube- Ghetto Bird
Ice Cube - Who Got The Camera
Ill Bill - How to Kill a Cop
Immortal Technique - The Other White Meat
J-Dilla - **** the Police
Jeru The Damaja- Invasion
Jus Allah - Cop Monopoly
Killer Mike - Don't Die
Knucklehedz- Who Called Da Cops?
KRS-One - Black Cop
KRS One - Sound of Da Police
LL Cool J - Illegal Search
M.O.P. - Hip Hop Cops
Main Source - Just A Friendly Game of Baseball
MC Shan - Time For Us To Defend Ourselves
Mellow Hype - **** The Police
Michael Jackson - They Don't Care About Us
Mobb Deep - Cop Hell
Mr. Lif featuring Metro- Gun Fight
N.W.A - **** tha Police
N.W.A- Sa Prize (**** tha Police part 2)
Nas - Cops Keep Firing
Non Phixion - Criminal
O.C. - Constables
Onyx - **** Da Law
Paris (featuring Conscious Daughters) - Bring It to Ya
Paris - Coffee, Donuts, & Death
Paris - Night of the Long Knives
Paris - Tear **** Up
Pharoahe Monch - Clap
Pharoahe Monch - What Is the Law?
Prince Paul - Men in Blue
Prince Paul featuring Everlast- Men In Blue
Public Enemy - 911 is a Joke
Public Enemy- Get The **** Outta Dodge
Rob Hustle - Call the Cops
Sabac Red - Fight Until the End
Snow - Informer
Trinity - Corrupt
Talib Kweli - The Proud
Young Buck - Don't Need No Help

Here is a list of COP KILLER rap. This is a sample. There is more.

2pac - Open Fire
2pac - Soulja's Story
50 Cent - Officer Down
Bob Marley - I Shot the Sheriff
Bodycount - Cop Killer
Bone Thugs N Harmony - No Surrender
China Mac - Buck a Cop
Constant Flow - Anatomy of a Revolutionary
Dead Prez - Cop Shot
Dead Prez - Walk Like a Warrior
Dead Prez - I Have a Dream Too
Dr. Dre & Snoop Dogg - 187
Geto Boys - Crooked Officer
Gutta the Rebel - Killa Cop
Ill Bill - How To Kill a Cop
John Maus - Cop Killer
Looptroop - Cop Killin'
Paris - Coffee Donuts and Death
Paris - Night of the Long Knives
The Almighty RSO - One in the Chamba

[tophcfa]

I find that it is a major stretch to call RAP music. In fact I would argue that associating RAP with real music discredits the artistic value of music. Just my opinion for what it's worth.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa

Well, I was accused of "profiling" with my characterization of rap as being anti-police. What is now called profiling used to be called "good police work." I notice that another poster, who I know has a police background, agrees with me.

Here's a sample of ANTI POLICE rap, much of which you don't hear on radio because it is too filthy to be permitted by the FCC.

Yep, a lot of those songs are way over the line, I abhor them...and I would never let my kids listen to that crap.

The 'profiling' part, is you associating ALL rap music...with that putrid stuff.

BUT, have you ever really stopped to think what gave rise to them (mostly LEO profiling) ...in the first place?

Here's a hint, it's the same frustration and feeling of helplessness for simply being black...that gave rise to BLM and kneeling by some NFL players.

Aren't we all glad deep down...that we had the good luck not to be born black?

Because that 'luck,' certainly didn't have anything to do... with us 'earning' that great head-start in life.

I challenge everyone to take less than one minute to watch this (c'mon, it's only 58 seconds)...and then comment on it.

[Wiotte]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Yep, a lot of those songs are way over the line, I abhor them...and I would never let my kids listen to that crap.

The 'profiling' part, is you associating ALL rap music...with that putrid stuff.

BUT, have you ever really stopped to think what gave rise to them (mostly LEO profiling) ...in the first place?

Here's a hint, it's the same frustration and feeling of helplessness for simply being black...that gave rise to BLM and kneeling by some NFL players.

Aren't we all glad deep down...that we had the good luck not to be born black?

Because that 'luck,' certainly didn't have anything to do... with us 'earning' that great head-start in life.

I challenge everyone to take less than one minute to watch this (c'mon, it's only 58 seconds)...and then comment on it.

My thoughts as well.


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[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Yep, a lot of those songs are way over the line, I abhor them...and I would never let my kids listen to that crap.

The 'profiling' part, is you associating ALL rap music...with that putrid stuff.

BUT, have you ever really stopped to think what gave rise to them (mostly LEO profiling) ...in the first place?

Here's a hint, it's the same frustration and feeling of helplessness for simply being black...that gave rise to BLM and kneeling by some NFL players.

Aren't we all glad deep down...that we had the good luck not to be born black?

Because that 'luck,' certainly didn't have anything to do... with us 'earning' that great head-start in life.

I challenge everyone to take less than one minute to watch this (c'mon, it's only 58 seconds)...and then comment on it.

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I can only wish that the readers of my posts would learn to read them with the same precision which I put into writing them. I most certainly did not "...associate ALL rap music.....with that putrid stuff."

My words were "most" and "much."

"Most are counter-culture and anti-police. They sometimes call for the murder of police officers."

"Much of it is beyond racy. It is obscene."

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ABOUT PROFILING

In that paragon of children's educational TV programs, Sesame Street, they play a game: "One of these things is not like the other." We are taught at a young age the value of rapid evaluation of situations

Transferred to police work this means being alert to something that is inappropriate or out of place. Discernment in this skill can make the difference between life and death.

One classic example of police profiling was when you see four teen-age boys driving around at 2:00AM in a $75,000 car, they might be worthy of a traffic stop and further inquiry.

When a "look out' is broadcast for a White Chevrolet sedan, you don't even glance twice at Black Cadillacs. That's profiling.

Profiling is an effective method of narrowing the search field when looking for a person, place or thing.

The public has been hoodwinked by the specter of "racial profiling," with the canard that it is always wrong to include race as an element of narrowing the search criteria. There are times when race is a valid element of the search. But to include it runs the risk of being painted as a racist.

Sesame Street - One of these things - Circles - YouTube

[Nucky]

The life and death calls that officers make every day have been framed as racial profiling. I am also writing with precision. Do you think that possibly there may be a reason for that? Some of the things that we have seen in the last year or so on the news have been terribly wrong against people of color and against police. Unexcusable really. Do we know the reason either one acted the way they did? We can guess. The horse is out of the barn already. You can't put the Genie back in the bottle.

I explained to our three boys why listening to the music that was listed was not good for them as a person and that those thoughts creep into your mind and it is sometimes the seed that gets you on the wrong route in life. I'm not going to pretend that that constant head beating of rules and suggestions got them to this point but when I hear them starting to train their children with the same thought process then I know it worked.

Nobody can even think they have walked in an Officers shoes. We, including the lady in the video, don't have a clue about the amount of guts it takes for law enforcement to keep us safe while free speech allows these songs, kneeling, and worse things to come.

I'm with the people I call when I need help. They deserve my support. They earn it each day. Perfect post-Mr. Carl.

I like all music but I better be careful what I'm tapping my toe too. It may be one of these bad songs. I truly can't understand the lyrics.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa

I can only wish that the readers of my posts would learn to read them with the same precision which I put into writing them. I most certainly did not "...associate ALL rap music.....with that putrid stuff."

My words were "most" and "much."

Most are counter-culture and anti-police. They sometimes call for the murder of police officers."

Much of it is beyond racy. It is obscene."

ABOUT PROFILING

In that paragon of children's educational TV programs, Sesame Street, they play a game: "One of these things is not like the other." We are taught at a young age the value of rapid evaluation of situations

Transferred to police work this means being alert to something that is inappropriate or out of place. Discernment in this skill can make the difference between life and death.

One classic example of police profiling was when you see four teen-age boys driving around at 2:00AM in a $75,000 car, they might be worthy of a traffic stop and further inquiry.

When a "look out' is broadcast for a White Chevrolet sedan, you don't even glance twice at Black Cadillacs. That's profiling.

Profiling is an effective method of narrowing the search field when looking for a person, place or thing.

The public has been hoodwinked by the specter of "racial profiling," with the canard that it is always wrong to include race as an element of narrowing the search criteria. There are times when race is a valid element of the search. But to include it runs the risk of being painted as a racist.

Sesame Street - One of these things - Circles - YouTube

And even after the attempted lecture on broad statements, you use the word...ALWAYS.

Your attempts at obfuscation and misdirection are eviscerated...by an example that has happened right here on TOTV.

That being the time when a claimed LEO member here, posted in the politics forum (thinking their user name was hidden...it wasn't) referring to black children as *iglets.

In spite of your attempted misdirection otherwise, everyone knows that if a 'look out' is broadcast for 3 black teenagers thought to have committed a crime, looking for only black teenagers...is NOT profiling.

What you've tried...is called a 'red herring.'

Profiling, for no other reason than skin color...IS a reality.

Driving while black - Wikipedia


Even for celebrities.

Chris Rock, Isaiah Washington, and Racial Profiling: Why Black People Shouldn’t Have to ‘Adapt’

The tensions that have existed for generations between police and the black community are very real and born of fear and mistrust. The police have long operated as occupying forces in hostile territory—from the ways in which cops interact with black citizens to the rates of cops killing blacks compared to whites.

That anxiety that stars like Rock and Foxx and countless others feel is shared by the average black person on the street—the average black person who doesn’t have hit movies or TV shows.

That these stars are affected by it shouldn’t give validation to the protests of black folks; it should only amplify them.

The more people try to deny, or excuse, its existence...means that it will just continue.

"But since I'm a white male, why should I even worry about it...right?"

BECAUSE, I'm dumb enough to still believe that justice should be blind...including due to color/race/ethnicity/religion/etc.

[Madelaine Amee]

Yes, from time to time I have been so glad to be born white, but not only for me, for my two sons as well. I cannot imagine what it must be like to send your kids to school or out to play every day and wonder if you will ever see them again.

I can remember my husband coming home from work one day and saying that such and such a Engineer is brilliant and got his degree from MIT and ending with "and he is black". Can't you just say "he is a brilliant engineer".

Why, in the old movies, did the bad cowboy wear a black hat and the good cowboy wear a white hat?

Why is the devil always portrayed in black and the angels in white robes?

Even in the old masters paintings evil is portrayed as black and good is portrayed as white.

Face it people we have been stereotyping good and evil as black and white since the beginning of time.

My Father was middle aged when I was born, and I adored him, he was the quietest gentle man you could wish to meet, but I remember that if I painted my finger nails bright red he would call them "jungle women's claws" ............. where did that come from?

Unfortunately it is a fact of life and I really don't think it will change.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Rap can best be appreciated if played from a car stereo on max volume with windows down while pumping gas at a service station.