[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by Bucco

SECRETLY And DISINFORMATION ie., wrong information and lies.on purpose
From a group founded on moral conduct ?

Oh yes, all use social media but denying that you are being influence and steered is foolhardy

It is obvious we have a failure to communicate here. I'm done with this thread since you insist on turning everything into a personal attack.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

It is obvious we have a failure to communicate here. I'm done with this thread since you insist on turning everything into a personal attack.

Yep sure did. Just helping out. You forgot to add the main reason for all of the posts concerning this...

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“SECRETLY And DISINFORMATION ie., wrong information and lies.on purpose
From a group founded on moral conduct ?”

You are welcome......that oft repeated phrase is the game changer.

Definition of communicate...”share or exchange information, news, or ideas.”

You never did that....you ignored and just keep repeating something everyone knew and ignored the actual story itself

[Bucco]

No matter what side of the spectrum you are on, this ongoing struggle should be of import to you.


Since 2017, Facebook has removed over 100 networks that engaged in coordinated inauthentic behavior, like the fake Russian news organization Peace Data. Facebook says it now works with 70 different third-party fact-checking partners and has greatly increased its ad transparency.

Many people turn to Facebook for news, with almost 70% of adults in the United States using the platform in 2019, according to Pew Research Center. This large userbase means Facebook has a large effect on our society and our democracy. That was made evident in the 2016 presidential election.


2020 Presidential Election: Facebook and information manipulation
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[Bucco]

YOUTUBE continues to fight the same battle. They are now adding human moderators because of the "Amid widespread anti-racism" content
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"YouTube reverts to human moderators in fight against misinformation"

Tried to link to the article but only for subscribers.

Point is at least we begin to see effort.

[graciegirl]

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[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I don't understand exactly what you mean. Do you think people should not use social media? How do you think this secret steering can be circumvented? You do realize that there is hardly a human who does not see that people lie every day. People lie to police officers. People lie to their lovers. People lie to the public to sell things. People who are in politics are some of the worst. When I read things on this forum, like claiming to use Facebook when a person has not, I know that even people who hate lying, lie.

Even amazing, strong moral people tell a lie now and then.

We all fathom the labyrinth of incorrect data in this world by a myriad of ways. Men discount a woman's intuitiveness. Women discount a man's "gut feeling". Hard scientific data is discounted and conspiracy theories spun and some believe them and some do not. The more areas of a person's brain are used the more they are good at discounting fairy stories. Reading and interacting on social media can be a very good thing. Most people can smell a rat but if rat's are who you run with, you might get used to the odor.

People will believe and absorb what they want to believe and absorb.

You are very naive
Things You Need to Know About Facebook and Mass Manipulation | Hacker Noon

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I don't understand exactly what you mean. Do you think people should not use social media? How do you think this secret steering can be circumvented? You do realize that there is hardly a human who does not see that people lie every day. People lie to police officers. People lie to their lovers. People lie to the public to sell things. People who are in politics are some of the worst. When I read things on this forum, like claiming to use Facebook when a person has not, I know that even people who hate lying, lie.

Even amazing, strong moral people tell a lie now and then.

We all fathom the labyrinth of incorrect data in this world by a myriad of ways. Men discount a woman's intuitiveness. Women discount a man's "gut feeling". Hard scientific data is discounted and conspiracy theories spun and some believe them and some do not. The more areas of a person's brain are used the more they are good at discounting fairy stories. Reading and interacting on social media can be a very good thing. Most people can smell a rat but if rat's are who you run with, you might get used to the odor.

People will believe and absorb what they want to believe and absorb.

I think that recruiting young people in a morals based group, and then paying them to go on line and deliberately tell lies and spread rumors or false conspiracy theories is wrong.

You obviously think it is fine, or are trying to change the subject of the thread or distort what I have been saying.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

You are very naive
Things You Need to Know About Facebook and Mass Manipulation | Hacker Noon

Naïveté is oft times a choice people make. Not knowing becomes the fall back position.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Evidently, there are many psychological biases here on this thread on display. . . study some basic personality types, and one can classify personality types by posts and responses. There is also the survival bias on perfect display of how the human is wired to emphasis fear over pleasure as a survival technique. Having worked with data enough, performing predictive analytics, and having talked with Cambridge Analytica employees, who worked with the Facebook data during the trump campaign, yes, there is manipulation in information for even such things as A/B testing. And if you don't study intl events closely enough, you won't understand chinese and russian influences by information / disinformation is the easier way to take down a country than by force

If you have never heard of A/B testing in big data and marketing, you have no idea that you are being tested, tracked, and recorded for marketing of any type, whether products or information.

I see A/B testing on many web sites, so if you know for what to look, you can see it.

If you ever compare predictive analysis of the stock market with Bloomberg/CNBC/Reuters/ etc analysis of daily analysis, they are just winging it. If you don't know how to use options to create a gamma squeeze, you will believe what the newspaper or news channel will tell you. if you don't understand rotation or how to look for it, you will believe the daily market narratives.

So, for the posters who believe that they can discern facts from various news sources, unless you were there or part of the news, this whole discussion creates such cognitive dissonance that you use anchoring bias of the 60's and 70's to maintain your beliefs. Uou nless you were there, you really can't discern the facts as happened because you are evaluating all second hand information, which by definition, has biases built in. And if you think you have enough sources to create facts, you really are just reinforcing own beliefs to avoid cognitive dissonances. there are posters on here who give first hand factual statements, which conflict with their beliefs, and that information is totally ignored. that my friends is anchoring bias prevention of cognitive dissonance confusion. . . or slight variations of many other emotional biases.

if you don't understand this: "There is no factual reality, there is only individual perception", you are just looking for a re-inforcing bias echo chamber, which is what all social media platforms have as a social unintended consequence.

good luck all, but do realize that whether you agree or not, whether you understand how or not, you are being tracked, classified, and then attempted to be persuaded by many different sources, and so subtly that you will never notice, except with a few exceptions. and i say this as i have professional contacts who describe how they do it.


sportsguy

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

Evidently, there are many psychological biases here on this thread on display. . . study some basic personality types, and one can classify personality types by posts and responses. There is also the survival bias on perfect display of how the human is wired to emphasis fear over pleasure as a survival technique. Having worked with data enough, performing predictive analytics, and having talked with Cambridge Analytica employees, who worked with the Facebook data during the trump campaign, yes, there is manipulation in information for even such things as A/B testing. And if you don't study intl events closely enough, you won't understand chinese and russian influences by information / disinformation is the easier way to take down a country than by force

If you have never heard of A/B testing in big data and marketing, you have no idea that you are being tested, tracked, and recorded for marketing of any type, whether products or information.

I see A/B testing on many web sites, so if you know for what to look, you can see it.

If you ever compare predictive analysis of the stock market with Bloomberg/CNBC/Reuters/ etc analysis of daily analysis, they are just winging it. If you don't know how to use options to create a gamma squeeze, you will believe what the newspaper or news channel will tell you. if you don't understand rotation or how to look for it, you will believe the daily market narratives.

So, for the posters who believe that they can discern facts from various news sources, unless you were there or part of the news, this whole discussion creates such cognitive dissonance that you use anchoring bias of the 60's and 70's to maintain your beliefs. Uou nless you were there, you really can't discern the facts as happened because you are evaluating all second hand information, which by definition, has biases built in. And if you think you have enough sources to create facts, you really are just reinforcing own beliefs to avoid cognitive dissonances. there are posters on here who give first hand factual statements, which conflict with their beliefs, and that information is totally ignored. that my friends is anchoring bias prevention of cognitive dissonance confusion. . . or slight variations of many other emotional biases.

if you don't understand this: "There is no factual reality, there is only individual perception", you are just looking for a re-inforcing bias echo chamber, which is what all social media platforms have as a social unintended consequence.

good luck all, but do realize that whether you agree or not, whether you understand how or not, you are being tracked, classified, and then attempted to be persuaded by many different sources, and so subtly that you will never notice, except with a few exceptions. and i say this as i have professional contacts who describe how they do it.


sportsguy

Thanks for this post. I could never explain it as you have, but have done my fair share of reading on this AND the issues you mention.

I think that tab of "naive" fits. Outside (and inside) influences have now been able to "play" us ( my word..not scientific) and then have the "played" say no way.

Twitter serves as an example. So many who just plain make things up on there and others just accept it as fact.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I think that recruiting young people in a morals based group, and then paying them to go on line and deliberately tell lies and spread rumors or false conspiracy theories is wrong.

You obviously think it is fine, or are trying to change the subject of the thread or distort what I have been saying.

You said I did WHAT? Or thought WHAT?

HUH???

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Ever heard of NLP? would you notice if someone talked using NLP? If not, you won't notice how you are spoken to for persuasion / manipulative purposes. Many cult type leaders speak in that style

sports guy

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The media itself (Facebook and twitter) I don't feel have nefarious purposes in any of this. There's no conspiracy backed by Facebook to twist the minds of its members. However, their system works such that we are provided with content that we choose to prefer. So if I like reading things about puppies, the system will provide me with more puppy content to enjoy. If I prefer reading things that are pro-blue, I will be presented with more pro-blue things to read. And within that group of pro-blue things, will be anti-red things. Because pro-blue is not happy with red. They don't get along, the system knows this because the system exists to keep track of that kind of thing.

It's not any person in Facebook that says "hey let's make these people hate each other!" But rather, it's people hating each other, being provided with more ammunition to continue their hatred, because it's simply what floats their boat and the system has no emotional investment in either of them being right or wrong. It knows only that Joe likes Red and doesn't like Blue, and Sue likes Blue and doesn't like Red. It gives them what they want. That is its function.

If you don't want to be influenced by any one or other thing, then don't focus your interest on any one or other thing when you visit these media sites. If you want to very specifically avoid any one or other thing, it's very easy to do, on all of those media sites. You can put up an adblocker, AND on Facebook there's a thing called FBP, which stands for Facebook Purity. It's a very sophisticated totally independent filtering add-on, it's free, it's supported and updated regularly, and it does a great job.

The only political stuff I ever see on Facebook, is political stuff I WANT to see. And I can shut -that- stuff off with a click of the mouse, any time.

one politics are determined by your beliefs, if what information you receive is slanted you will be so guided to that conclusion, denigrating, disparaging critical opinions will steer you away, ones political views are the end result not the start

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Do you understand how mediums who talk with the dead souls uses language to create believers? Do you know what a seduction bitch shield is? these are all common emotional manipulation behaviors to make you believe something the person is saying, and is not true

its all manipulation and these are in person techniques, so there is no reality, there is just your perception of one

sportsguy

[graciegirl]

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