[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by RRGuyNJ

We were on a 30 day cruise last year with Norweigian and we saw a guy with a small yappy dog I assume was a "service dog " of some kind. I love dogs but this thing wasn't trained to do anything but look for it's supper at the appropriate time. Major barker and was being carried more than walked. I would never have guessed we would see that on a major cruise line.
Off topic, the cruise was a disaster. Caught COVID, stuck in our room for 3 or 4 days until we tested negative. $9K medical bill for treatment between the two of us. Thank God we took out Faye Travel Insurance! They paid it in full. Missed several ports due to weather. Cruising is done for us! LOL

People buying “service dog” vests on Amazon, and slapping them on their untrained dogs to gain an unfair advantage, is a huge problem that discredits legitimate highly trained guide dogs. The ADA laws need to be tightened up to allow businesses to require proper training certification documentation. Also, people need to be subject to large fines for impersonating a real trained service dog. Sorry to hear about your unfortunate cruise experience. That’s on of many reasons I would never get on one of those floating petri dishes.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

People buying “service dog” vests on Amazon, and slapping them on their untrained dogs to gain an unfair advantage, is a huge problem that discredits legitimate highly trained guide dogs. The ADA laws need to be tightened up to allow businesses to require proper training certification documentation. Also, people need to be subject to large fines for impersonating a real trained service dog. Sorry to hear about your unfortunate cruise experience. That’s on of many reasons I would never get on one of those floating petri dishes.

To clarify, the current ADA law does not require any professional training or a vest for a service dog. The dog owner can just say that the dog is a service dog and that the dog performs a service for them. The dog owner can perform their own training. And, they do not need to produce any documentation at all. Any service dog vests being sold by Amazon have no effect on the ADA law.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

To clarify, the current ADA law does not require any professional training or a vest for a service dog. The dog owner can just say that the dog is a service dog and that the dog performs a service for them. The dog owner can perform their own training. And, they do not need to produce any documentation at all. Any service dog vests being sold by Amazon have no effect on the ADA law.

Regardless of their designation as a Service Dog, all companies, building owners, proprietors, cruise ships, restaurants, stores, etc - retain the right to refuse entry to any animal that misbehaves.

If your dog is on a retractable leash and is pulling against it - he's not behaving, and you aren't behaving properly with your "service animal." If your dog isn't heeled, is straying away from you, barking, jumping, even wagging its tail, licking someone's face, being allowed to be pet and hugged by children (or adults), is sniffing at people or merchandise, if you're feeding it scraps from your plate at a restaurant - any of these things - then it is not properly behaving as an on-duty service dog and the proprietor has the right to ask you to take your animal off their premises.

[rsmurano]

If mother nature does anything to you, or you do something stupid and get hurt, it’s you that needs to have the protection in place to help pay for this situation. If you get sick, play basketball and break your arm, or anything else on that ship, he ship owes you nothing, just like the United States doesn’t owe you anything if you fall off your bike, get in a boat/auto accident. That’s why you have insurance! If you don’t have insurance, you will have consequences! Pretty simple

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by defrey12

Okay, I guess the OP of this comment was looking for a scolding from you. Give it a rest.

[judylovesflamingos]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

My older brother is completely blind and has a highly trained German Shepherd guide dog that he can bring with him anywhere in the USA, but she isn’t allowed on cruise ships in international waters where the ADA isn’t recognized.

I have seen service dogs with their owners on cruise ships several time, so I think he CAN take the dog, there just may be some special rules about it that would need to be known upfront

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by RRGuyNJ

So if Mother Nature kicks you right square in the $%&^%$ and you become handicapped, you should have to pay for the inconvienece just because most people are lucky enough to NOT be handicapped? WOW! Classy!

Do yourself a favor and read all the discussions in thread before responding. Your comments would be more appropriate for the situation. WOW! Classy!

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by rsmurano

If mother nature does anything to you, or you do something stupid and get hurt, it’s you that needs to have the protection in place to help pay for this situation. If you get sick, play basketball and break your arm, or anything else on that ship, he ship owes you nothing, just like the United States doesn’t owe you anything if you fall off your bike, get in a boat/auto accident. That’s why you have insurance! If you don’t have insurance, you will have consequences! Pretty simple

True that. However, the heads up the OP was trying to send out about which ships to avoid if one feels the need to float and has medical issues. Some disabilitys are accommodated, some not.. simple as that.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by defrey12

Yes, anything COULD happen. But history shows most things we worry about usually don't.

Lol, how that analysis fits the conversation is beyond me but okay.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by KSSunshine

My husband has had a pacemaker for 5 years and we travel via air and cruises. The pacemaker keeps the data and transmits WHEN we have wifi. We do not pay for additional wifi. Since we are at sea or in the air, there is nothing that a land-based service can do should there be failure, either with his body or transmitting data. When back on land and our wifi is connected, the data is transmitted back to Medtronic. I'd focus more on enjoying the cruise. We are on our 15th cruise since that implant enjoying life (and leaving on another one in a few days). Bon Voyage!

There are a lot of old men with pacemakers because the drs. wanted to help their bradycardia. They seldom have to worry about a malfunction and carry on life as usual. Those aren't the ones that need a lot of monitoring.

[shut the front door]

Originally Posted by KSSunshine

My husband has had a pacemaker for 5 years and we travel via air and cruises. The pacemaker keeps the data and transmits WHEN we have wifi. We do not pay for additional wifi. Since we are at sea or in the air, there is nothing that a land-based service can do should there be failure, either with his body or transmitting data. When back on land and our wifi is connected, the data is transmitted back to Medtronic. I'd focus more on enjoying the cruise. We are on our 15th cruise since that implant enjoying life (and leaving on another one in a few days). Bon Voyage!

Slow down on the medical advice. Your husband has ONE particular pacemaker that is for HIS condition. It is not your place to tell others to focus on the cruise instead of their health.

[shueburruss]

Originally Posted by judylovesflamingos

I have seen service dogs with their owners on cruise ships several time, so I think he CAN take the dog, there just may be some special rules about it that would need to be known upfront

There is paperwork that needs to be completed and approved prior to the cruise. I have read that people show up at the pier without such paperwork and denied boarding.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by judylovesflamingos

I have seen service dogs with their owners on cruise ships several time, so I think he CAN take the dog, there just may be some special rules about it that would need to be known upfront

It's really easy to find out:
Service Dogs | Carnival Cruise Line

https://www.princess.com/html/global...ity-at-sea.pdf
Service Animals on Cruises | Accessible Cruises | Royal Caribbean Cruises

and so on. Just type in the name of the cruise line you want info from, and the words "service dog policy" into your favorite search engine.

[KSSunshine]

Originally Posted by shut the front door

Slow down on the medical advice. Your husband has ONE particular pacemaker that is for HIS condition. It is not your place to tell others to focus on the cruise instead of their health.

I shared our experience with a pacemaker. Perhaps you don't have that experience or you would have recognized the truth in what I shared. Medical Advice was not dispensed...

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Lol, isn't your heart pumping life throughout your body important? You can still live with those other disabilities but when it's your heart, it's your life. It amuses me how those who don't have a pacemaker think it's nothing. You could say the same about other disabilities, just depends on whose ox is being gored, I guess

Not MY definition, but you can try convincing the ADA I guess.

The problem is, as far as I can see, is that as we get older, we accumulate more and more disabilities to the point where we die. And the ADA has to decide at what point do they make everybody pay for our disability (for example, there’s no such thing as free Wi-Fi, all the passengers have to pay for it since cruise lines are not in the business of subsidizing people, they are in the business of making money) and at what point do we have to look after ourselves even to the point where we die.