[tpop1]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

Tomato sauce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



We are all vindicated..............click on hyperlink and scroll down to the various explanations.......



Especially that for the UNITED STATES.......



Some Italian Americans on the East Coast and around the Chicago area refer to tomato sauce as "gravy", "tomato gravy", or "Sunday gravy", especially sauces with a large quantity of meat simmered in them, similar to the Italian Neapolitan ragù. "Gravy" is an erroneous English translation from the Italian sugo which means juice, but can also mean sauce (as in sugo per pastasciutta). The expression for "gravy" in Italian is sugo d'arrosto, which is literally "juice of a roast" and is not specifically tomato sauce.[7]

So its all due to bad translation to english...must have been the same inspector at Ellis Island who messed up so many people's names giving out a bad translation!!!

[senior citizen]

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[skyguy79]

I just read an article that puts the sauce~gravy debate into the most proper perspective I've yet to see. It says to forget worrying about what’s in a name, like sauce or gravy, and instead focus on more important things – like what’s for dessert.

[senior citizen]

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[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

Canoli

Not for me! My wife likes them but I don't. The cheese is too gritty for me. There's a bakery in Latham NY called Bella Napoli where I'd have almost anything there, and they do have a lot... I MEAN A LOT beyond what shows on their website. I especially loved their rum cake, but haven't had any in years and they don't ship! {Waaaa... I wanna move back north} Just kidding!

WARNING: Proceed at your own risk... Bella Napoli Bakery

[senior citizen]

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[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

I love rum cake. We haven't had a bakery rum cake since we left New Jersey in 1970.

I used to bake my own rum cake using Bacardi Rum.......but haven't made that in years. Very moist.

Here are Ferrara Canoli, etc. They ship overnight; perhaps your bakery might also ship to Florida?

Ferrara Bakery & Café

You are really going to cry when you view the above hyperlink.

Before I saw this post I updated my post that they don't ship. Also, I'm not gonna cry. I already saw the site and I'm now through with my crying.

Ferrara's looks very interesting and has some of what Bella Napoli has. I'm bookmarking the site!

[rubicon]

Brown gravy and red sauce....brown gravy and red sauce.....brown gravy and red sauce....brown gravy and red sauce.....brown gravy and red sauce....brown gravy and red sauce...brown gravcy and red sauce....brown gracvy and red sauce....brown gravy and red sauce.....................

Canoli, bird nest cookies, rossets with honey and confectionary sugar (sp)
ravilio, gnoccchi (sp) veal scapoline pasta primvera Moma moma moma
stuff veal roast, wedding soup moma moma moma

[senior citizen]

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[Russ_Boston]

All these arguments and people who are insistent one way or the other are nice but how about let's stick to the facts as provided by Merriam-Webster dictionary:

gravy: a sauce made from the thickened and seasoned juices of cooked meat

Gravy - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

And please notice that is origin is Middle English and French not Italian.

Now when I was young my mother did start the "Stuff" from braised short ribs so I guess technically she made the gravy by thickening the meat drippings with tomatoes and seasoning etc.

I mean nobody really cares about what it's called. Do they? But I have heard people who get upset when they hear it called gravy. Silly thing to get upset about. Don't you think?

[ugotme]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

Canoli

OOOOHHHHHhhhhhhhh NOW YOU'RE TALKING !

[Vinny]

Always gravy in my family. The only sauce we ever had was Soy.

[tpop1]

Originally Posted by Russ_Boston

I mean nobody really cares about what it's called. Do they

Come on, Russ....have you read the posts.

It's a point of honor for those of us raised on the stuff .... Sauce people are staunchly sauce people and gravy people are staunchly gravy people ????

Being otherwise is being untrue to one's heritage and upbringing..not nice to dis momma and grandma!

It's more polorizing than what's the best Village in The Villages or dog poop vs. no dog poop.

I surprised that the Moderator hasn't banned this thread as too political!!

[graciegirl]

Had dinner tonight at Carrabas with friends of ours from the midwest.( Ohio and Kentucky and Tennessee) and we were saying that none of us ever tasted any Italian food until we were in College. Or Bagels. Or Cheesecake.

Naturally our palates have become accustomed to many different cultures and ethnicities foods since then but I had by first home cooked Italian dinner here in TV...EVER.

And that same neighbor had her first homemade sauerbraten from my kitchen.

We weren't poor or deprived believe me. The food we had as children was scrumptious, home grown, home cooked, home canned.

but I LOVE Italian food now and I don't care whether you call it sauce or gravy. YUMMO!

[CFrance]

I'm English and French. No experience with real Italian food. But I think calling it gravy sounds really cool. JMO