[Margefrog]

I don't get the unnecessary do-gooders remark. In my opinion, don't hire anyone who comes to your door without you calling them. That's how to stop that activity.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy

I am trying to delete the post I made, it seems you can't so I'm trying to make it go away by editing it.

You can't delete posts. You can however delete the entire message and replace it with three front slashes ///

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy

I am trying to delete the post I made, it seems you can't so I'm trying to make it go away by editing it.

Many people who want to delete a post will delete all content and then add ///. All posts must have at least 3 characters. The entire post cannot be deleted.

[Joe C.]

It's amazing how a post on window washers gets hijacked to trespass arguments.

People who fall prey to scams end up wondering how they allowed themselves to be scammed, and usually realize that lack of awareness was at the forefront.

Allowing strangers access to your home is detrimental to your personal security.

Situational awareness is something that needs to be practiced at all times.
Learn to think like a criminal ..... Look for escape routes ..... backdoors and fire exits.

You've worked hard for what you have. Don't let it get taken because you were negligent.

[Chellybean]

Originally Posted by Joe C.

It's amazing how a post on window washers gets hijacked to trespass arguments.

People who fall prey to scams end up wondering how they allowed themselves to be scammed, and usually realize that lack of awareness was at the forefront.

Allowing strangers access to your home is detrimental to your personal security.

Situational awareness is something that needs to be practiced at all times.
Learn to think like a criminal ..... Look for escape routes ..... backdoors and fire exits.

You've worked hard for what you have. Don't let it get taken because you didn't were negligent.

Exactly! Thank you for the reasonable post. That's all i was trying to do was warn people, but i had the Popcorn ready for the others LOL

[CybrSage]

Originally Posted by jcreason5616

Guide to Avoiding Door-to-Door Scams in 2023

Are you trying to scam me? It is 2024 do it is no longer valid

(sarcasm)

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Florida law (501.022) allows people to perform door-to-door solicitation as long as they have a home solicitation permit. So, they are allowed to cross your property and come to your door.

"Pursuant to Chapter 501, Florida Statutes, individuals who engage in certain door-to-door solicitation activities that sell, lease, or rent consumer goods or services with a purchase price in excess of $25.00 are required to obtain a Home Solicitation Sales Permit."

Thank you I didn’t know that. Nevertheless, they are a nuisance! It’s like advertisement, we pay extra for streaming to get no advertisement.

[Glowing Horizon]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I was at the Havana CC once and a guy was there using an electrical outlet on the breezeway. A police car showed up, and he and the manager filled out a form which the policeman gave to the guy. He said it was a trespassing notice and that, if he returned again, he would be arrested. So, it could be that you need a written notice to actually enforce the trespass law.

Using an electrical outlet without permission is theft of electricity. Trespassing was a nicer way to tell him to leave & not return IMO

[Glowing Horizon]

Originally Posted by Joe C.

It's amazing how a post on window washers gets hijacked to trespass arguments.

People who fall prey to scams end up wondering how they allowed themselves to be scammed, and usually realize that lack of awareness was at the forefront.

Allowing strangers access to your home is detrimental to your personal security.

Situational awareness is something that needs to be practiced at all times.
Learn to think like a criminal ..... Look for escape routes ..... backdoors and fire exits.

You've worked hard for what you have. Don't let it get taken because you didn't were negligent.

People who wander around looking for work are showing you they are DESPERATE, right up front. So if you assume they may do DESPERATE things—that is logical—not judgmental.

[Chellybean]

Originally Posted by Glowing Horizon

People who wander around looking for work are showing you they are DESPERATE, right up front. So if you assume they may do DESPERATE things—that is logical—not judgmental.

So true finally someone that gets it!!!!! Thank you

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Glowing Horizon

Using an electrical outlet without permission is theft of electricity. Trespassing was a nicer way to tell him to leave & not return IMO

Possibly, but I really don't think the manager cared about the electricity. He just didn't want the guy hanging around, and didn't want to confront him. I don't think a business needs any specific reason to enforce the trespassing law.

[gorillarick]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

How are they trespassing if they are traveling on public roads and leaving private property when asked?

aye aye yi
If asked to leave a no trespassing area, and they leave when asked, they are not trespassing?
What kind of logic is that ?

When a solicitor comes to my door, I ask for their card, ask them why I would do business with people that break our rules?
Tell them I will report, and take a picture of them.
At least they move to the next street.

This is a gated community. We are not getting all the security we're paying for.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by gorillarick

aye aye yi
If asked to leave a no trespassing area, and they leave when asked, they are not trespassing?
What kind of logic is that ?

When a solicitor comes to my door, I ask for their card, ask them why I would do business with people that break our rules?
Tell them I will report, and take a picture of them.
At least they move to the next street.

This is a gated community. We are not getting all the security we're paying for.

You are very confused. Suggest you read some of the threads about this being a gated community, no solicitation, and criminal trespassing. Knowledge is a wonderful thing

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Glowing Horizon

People who wander around looking for work are showing you they are DESPERATE, right up front. So if you assume they may do DESPERATE things—that is logical—not judgmental.

That's correct. If there were a litmus test available on the spot, we could all work within the results. But there isn't and The Villages aged population is a target for certain crimes with easy money. If legitimate laborers need work, they should get the required permit and there should be a law where the permit must be provided to potential customers before requesting any work.

I think the cautionary post from the OP was a good idea.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Seems people aren't understanding what "trespassing" means, and are interpreting a regulation without checking the legal definition of the word first. So - Chapter 810, Section 09 of the Florida Statutes:

810.09 Trespass on property other than structure or conveyance.—
(1)(a) A person who, without being authorized, licensed, or invited, willfully enters upon or remains in any property other than a structure or conveyance:
1. As to which notice against entering or remaining is given, either by actual communication to the offender or by posting, fencing, or cultivation as described in s. 810.011; or
2. If the property is the unenclosed curtilage of a dwelling and the offender enters or remains with the intent to commit an offense thereon, other than the offense of trespass,
commits the offense of trespass on property other than a structure or conveyance.

This is what Florida law defines as trespassing on the property of someone's home, who hasn't yet entered the dwelling itself yet (there's a different trespassing law for entering structures and dwellings, this isn't that regulation).

The bolded part "willfully enters upon OR remains" - means the person is trespassing BEFORE anyone tells them to get lost. They are trespassing because they came onto the property in the first place.

The underlined part, refers to the land immediately surrounding the structure/dwelling. So if someone owned a few acres of wooded land and crossed into the woods behind someone's house, and didn't get there by entering the yardage immediately surrounding the house (if they came in from next door or the block behind them, for example), then this law would NOT apply.

But walking up to someone's front door, if you are uninvited, unauthorized, and don't have a license to do so? That is - legally - according to Florida Statute quoted above - trespassing.

"Being trespassed" is a term that refers to the consequence of trespassing, if the authorized agent/owner of the property complains about it to the police. It means you receive an official warning. You get a warning because you have already broken the law, and a warning is the first step in the process.