[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by EdVinMass

“No Outlet” .

I thought in TV that "No Outlet" was a warning to electric golf cart users to make sure your batteries are sufficiently charged before entering the street!

[Pturner]

Originally Posted by skyguy79

I thought in TV that "No Outlet" was a warning to electric golf cart users to make sure your batteries are sufficiently charged before entering the street!

I thought it would mean "breakfast not served".

No wait. That would be "No Omlet".

[mtdjed]

Your point regarding signage is good. In fact I had requested that a sign be placed on the entrance to our neighborhood (the same as this issue addresses)through The Villages recommendation system. They got back to me with a comment saying that the roads now belong to the county and that they had passed the message to Sumter county. That was six months ago with no action to date.

[emconover]

A "dead end" sign is used when a street ends in a dead end or cul-de-sac.

A "no outlet" sign is used when a road is the only outlet for a group or network of roads.

[EdV]

Originally Posted by emconover

A "dead end" sign is used when a street ends in a dead end or cul-de-sac.

A "no outlet" sign is used when a road is the only outlet for a group or network of roads.

But not in TV.

[kb8tpw]

You know I have been following this thread for a while and it just came to me (I'm sometimes slow) that this may be a design problem. One would think that the villages design folks which are known for their greatness would have been able to properly design a cul de sac that would accomodate such a vehicle - especially in a community with a high propensity for moving vans to frequent. May have taken a few more feet of real estate based on the degree, etc of the turn radius required, but I'm simple minded enough to think it possible. I'm sure there are some engineering folks among us that will shoot my theory down, but just a fresh thought for a new year. Reminds me of an ole Lester Flatt bluegrass song, "Backin All The Way to Birmingham" about an 18 wheeler operator who got in a truck for the first time and couldn't figure out how to get it out of reverse ---- you get the rest of the story.

[784caroline]

I suspect the streets and cul-de-sacs in TV are designed to handle the largest of emergency vehicles...that being fire trucks... but not necessarily tractor trailers or especially 52 ft moving vans trailers with sleeper cabs.

However, I think a "good driver" can manuver a 40 ft trailer with a standard cab around a cul-de-sac...and I said a good driver!

[RichieLion]

Originally Posted by skyguy79

Me thinkith your correct! I believe the sign for a cul de sac should state "No Thru Traffic."

The only problem with that, is that the message is not clear as to why there's no "thru traffic". If an inappropriate vehicle is routed to go down that street, it would be advantageous to everyone that the message is clear.

[RichieLion]

Originally Posted by skyguy79

I'm afraid that I will have to respectfully disagree that the driver should not be held totally responsible. There may be extenuating circumstance that could be considered by a Judge should he be issued a traffic ticket, but when he (or any of us for that matter) gets behind the wheel of a vehicle, he is totally responsible for any movement of that vehicle that is within his control or should be within his control. A presence or lack thereof of a sign at the beginning of the street in question has no relevence! I believe you will find that the courts would most likely agree with or uphold what I've stated!

Do you want to have a truck come down and leave your street safely, causing no damage, or do want to be technically correct?

I agree that the professional driver is liable for damage caused by his operation of his vehicle, but it's in everyone's interest that he has the pertinent information to assess.

Driver's are not usually given more that the address for their delivery, and sometimes a "time window" for delivery. If the consignee of the goods does not take the initiative to inform the carrier of obstacles to delivery, and subsequently the carrier does not relay the information to the driver, problems could arise.

I made a delivery into a neighborhood once that had no outlet out of the neighborhood other than the way I came in. After traveling a few blocks and maneuvering around parked vehicles and negotiating a couple of tight turns, I came to the delivery street and found I could not make the tight turn into it. With help from the consignee I walked the freight down the street to his residence (an arduous chore) and completed my assignment.

That's when I found out there was no other way out of the neighborhood; no way to turn around and that I would have to back the entire way out. It took almost an hour to retrace my route in reverse; backing around corners, around parked vehicles, getting blocked by incoming traffic that had no idea what I was trying to do. I was constantly stopping, climbing down from the cab, walking 50+ feet back to get people (usually annoyed with me) to give me room to continue my backwards odyssey.

How much better for me, the residents of the neighborhood and for general peace if I was never sent on such a delivery with such an inappropriate vehicle for the task.

If there was a "No Outlet" sign instead of a "No Through Traffic" sign, which can sometimes be posted just to keep commuters from using a residential neighborhood as a shortcut, I would have stopped, even if creating a temporary obstacle on the side of the road, and made inquiries.

I might have discovered that this delivery would need a small truck to do the job, and then I would have to argue my point with my dispatcher who only wants the job done and not have it return to the terminal.

It's in everyone's interest for neighborhoods and streets to provide as much information as possible for the commercial vehicles which will undoubtably be negotiating the roads in their neighborhood.

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by RichieLion

The only problem with that, is that the message is not clear as to why there's no "thru traffic". If an inappropriate vehicle is routed to go down that street, it would be advantageous to everyone that the message is clear.

Ok then, let try this verbage on a sign... "The street you are about to enter is designed for average residential traffic and may not be accomodating to vehicles that are designed for commercial usage. If you are using a larger vehicle, especially a vehicle in tandom like a tractor trailer and/or have been newley licensed with a CDL, you should consider bringing in a more experienced driver to asses the viability of making any deliveries to your given destination since there is no no thru exit that you can access without making an extremely small radius turn or without backing up your vehicle. If you have any doubts about this matter, please check with your fleet manager."

Disclaimer: This response is strictly made for humor and is in no way intended to rebute, judge or criticize the poster being responded to and it is my hope that no one takes it that way!

[RichieLion]

Originally Posted by skyguy79

Ok then, let try this verbage on a sign... "The street you are about to enter is designed for average residential traffic and may not be accomodating to vehicles that are designed for commercial usage. If you are using a larger vehicle, especially a vehicle in tandom like a tractor trailer and/or have been newley licensed with a CDL, you should consider bringing in a more experienced driver to asses the viability of making any deliveries to your given destination since there is no no thru exit that you can access without making an extremely small radius turn or without backing up your vehicle. If you have any doubts about this matter, please check with your fleet manager."

Disclaimer: This response is strictly made for humor and is in no way intended to rebute, judge or criticize the poster being responded to and it is my hope that no one takes it that way!

LOL; and I'm glad you see my point even as you take it to ludicrous lengths.
No matter what is thought about any of this, trucks WILL BE coming down your street. Isn't in your interest to make it easy for the delivery driver?

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Isn't in your interest to make it easy for the delivery driver?

ABSOLUTELY!