[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by LitespeedRider

Um...but the amenities bills go only to the owner...who then can rent (and they then give up their resident ID for the given property and the "residents" are assigned ID's - or not). So, who is keeping track of what? Not trying to argue. But, it seems that this "policy" is about as well controlled as the "gated" community policy or the "residents only" gates (that have a red button).

It does seem that you are trying to argue and believe me there have been many anti-Morse folks before you. The IRS examined this operation for MANY years. I think it is safe to believe that they cross every t and dot every I and the developers can afford to have and do have excellent lawyers to guide them in that effort.

The people on the deed are noted. The ID passes are noted and in the computer. This place runs like a Swiss watch.

If you are about to buy a place north of 466 as you mentioned or if you decide to live down the road in another development, that is up to you.

There is a number of reasons why posters come on this forum and try to paint The Villages with a dirty brush. I am skeptical of many of them.

[LitespeedRider]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

It does seem that you are trying to argue and believe me there have been many anti-Morse folks before you. The IRS examined this operation for MANY years. I think it is safe to believe that they cross every t and dot every I and the developers can afford to have and do have excellent lawyers to guide them in that effort.

The people on the deed are noted. The ID passes are noted and in the computer. This place runs like a Swiss watch.

If you are about to buy a place north of 466 as you mentioned or if you decide to live down the road in another development, that is up to you.

There is a number of reasons why posters come on this forum and try to paint The Villages with a dirty brush. I am skeptical of many of them.

Anti-Morse? Me? Heck I am so pro-Morse it isnt funny. If someone does not like them the simple solution is move.

[ajbrown]

Originally Posted by billethkid

What organization is it that keeps a tally on the percentages of who and what age live in what homes?

I have never read an explanation about how this happens. I "hope" the powers that be here are filing the right paper work to retain our status, but I have never read on here how that happens. Maybe census? I have no idea...

On the other hand if no one is filing correct paper work, the federal government will likely not know for about 200 years

[ajbrown]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I can't believe that this keeps coming up and that so many people here are so misinformed about it.

The law says that in order to be an over 55 community at least 80% of THE HOMES must be OCCUPIED by at least ONE PERSON over the age of 55.

As long as that is the case, the other 20% OF THE UNITS may be occupied by anyone over the age of nineteen.

It has nothing to do with new home sales pre owned sales or anything else. One person in 80% of the units must be over 55.


As far as under 19 goes, the Villages rule is that no one under the age of nineteen is allowed to LIVE HERE full time. I don't believe that that precludes people under the age of 19 from owning as long as they do not occupy the units that they own.

You carry the torch Doc. For such a simple law, it has misstated on here since I joined TOTV.

I am looking forward to you explaining again how 80% of the population could be under 55 and still meet the law

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by LitespeedRider

Anti-Morse? Me? Heck I am so pro-Morse it isnt funny...

You often don't come across that way.

[LitespeedRider]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

You often don't come across that way.

Lets see...I am new here so posts are easy to count.

Dogs in privately owned business' -
County Roads and their stop lights -

Nope - nothing in the Morse family control....

Maybe some people are looking for an argument?

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by LitespeedRider

...Maybe some people are looking for an argument?

Agree.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

It is all to do with the Fair Housing Act which prohibits age discrimination in housing. Designated 55+ communities are allowed to restrict the number of younger residents if the community maintains the 80/20 rule. If the community falls below 80% 55 or older ratio, it will permanently lose its 55+ status and will have to admit any age any time. Based on that, I would bet the farm that someone in The Villages organization is keeping track.

[looneycat]

Originally Posted by rjm1cc

Yes anyone can buy. Buy is different than living in the home.
If you buy a resale get written approval to live in the home now. In general the rule is one person living in the home has to be 55+ but up to 20% of the units can have all residences under 55. But it is up to the association. They do not have to permit anyone under 55 as the principal person living in the home.

what association??

[Harry Gilbert]

Thinking out loud

How do the CDD's figure in to the 80/20 rule? Are they counted individually and separately or are they considered a whole entity?

If its a whole entity how do the central districts figure in, they have no residents.

[rjm1cc]

Originally Posted by looneycat

what association??

In the Villages their are a number of communities. These communities are governed by people appointed by the developer. This is the group I am referring to by the work association.

[VillagerNut]

Originally Posted by LitespeedRider

Um...but the amenities bills go only to the owner...who then can rent (and they then give up their resident ID for the given property and the "residents" are assigned ID's - or not). So, who is keeping track of what? Not trying to argue. But, it seems that this "policy" is about as well controlled as the "gated" community policy or the "residents only" gates (that have a red button).

The folks that are stating that the Morris family know how many folks we have under 55 are correct! It is controlled by the recreation IDs that are issued. You need a Recrestion ID to be able to participate in most activities here. They do ask for your birthdate when you get your recreational ID. Anyone under 19 can visit here 30 days or less during the calendar year.

[LitespeedRider]

Originally Posted by VillagerNut

They do ask for your birthdate when you get your recreational ID. Anyone under 19 can visit here 30 days or less during the calendar year.

I have received MANY guest ID's - each and every time I used fake birth dates and never have been challenged on them. I had a friend here for a week recently. Did not know her birth date (or year). I picked 1/1/01....picked up the ID a couple days later....

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by LitespeedRider

I have received MANY guest ID's - each and every time I used fake birth dates and never have been challenged on them. I had a friend here for a week recently. Did not know her birth date (or year). I picked 1/1/01....picked up the ID a couple days later....

I think I remember that our grandchildren showed a photo ID when they first visited nine years ago. Then we just would go and get their guest passes when they were coming since they were in the system.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by LitespeedRider

Um...but the amenities bills go only to the owner...who then can rent (and they then give up their resident ID for the given property and the "residents" are assigned ID's - or not). So, who is keeping track of what? Not trying to argue. But, it seems that this "policy" is about as well controlled as the "gated" community policy or the "residents only" gates (that have a red button).

In response to your above-stated comments, I have in the past directed this question to both the District and the POA who both ran away from the question. My concern was not renting out one's home that is a given right. My concern was how homeowners could transfer their amenity rights to others.

The agreement between The Villages and a new resident essentially says for a monthly fee per household all amenities are available...

Nowhere does he say you may transfer your amenity rights.

The argument always ends up with but the homeowner gives up his/her Villages ID which is true......... However with a full time residents you normally have two people utilizing the amenities and periodically their guests.

However with rentals the number of amenities users increases exponentially with each passing month placing greater pressure on all amenities. This situation is only going to get worse as The Villages continues to expand. and there are a appreciable number of homes here purchased strictly as rental units which exacerbates this situation

We all have our personal views and mine was I believed I was buying into a retirement community and not a vacation destination for others because that is the way The Villages marketed this place. Losing sight of that purpose can have serious consequences

And this attitude of "if you don't like it leave" is shallow and thoughtless because for one, many people for many reasons just can't pick up and leave

Essentially what I am saying is that the so called Housing Rules, as are all rules made to be broken.

As to the Developer people continue to forget that the Developer is an entity (The Villages of Lake-Sumter, Inc) and as an entity it is amoral it does not build for you it builds for profit and it will adapt and change to remain profitable without any notice as to how it affects residents