[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

The OP has stated he is OK. The details of the accident appear to be in dispute. But more important, is there any word on the motorcyclist?

FWIW, FB posts don't sound good.

[Rainger99]

Aren’t there cameras at that intersection?

[Chi-Town]

My point was that a left turn on arrow only eliminates the need to enter an intersection and wait for oncoming traffic to clear before completing the turn. There would be no discussion here if that were this case.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Jawohl, mein Fuhrer

Vielen Dank. Damit legen wir gleich los.

I've often wondered just how many people see driving as some kind of inalienable right. It isn't, you know. It is a PRIVILEGE granted to you by the laws of whatever state you're living in. You pass a written test (once) to show that you understand the laws, you take a road test (once, in most cases) to show your competency, and the State issues you a little card saying that you have the right to drive on their roads.

It can be a problem, though. Competencies start failing as we age, and possibly moving from a state with relatively unchallenging driving (South Dakota, for example) to Florida where a sort of wild-west ethic seems to reign on the crowded roadways can be especially challenging. Maybe our skills were good enough for South Dakota. But Florida? Add to that the fact that state driving laws vary by state, sometimes significantly.

I doubt anyone here can deny that driving skills as exemplified in TV are pretty suspect; often dangerous, and even deadly. The ONLY way to effectively control that is periodic testing, and denial of license if we don't measure up.

[VApeople]

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com

don’t get me started on how many times I’ve had to honk my horn because people won’t turn right on red

Do you think all of your silly honking has any effect on the person who doesn't want to turn right on a red light?

In my case, sometimes I turn right on red and sometimes I don't feel like it.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by VApeople

Do you think all of your silly honking has any effect on the person who doesn't want to turn right on a red light?

In my case, sometimes I turn right on red and sometimes I don't feel like it.

Doesn't everyone just love people who make up their own rules and then shove them down your throat??????

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by VApeople

Do you think all of your silly honking has any effect on the person who doesn't want to turn right on a red light?

In my case, sometimes I turn right on red and sometimes I don't feel like it.

It depends on the person you are honking at.

[GoPacers]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Doesn't everyone just love people who make up their own rules and then shove them down your throat??????

Right turn on red is "allowed" but is not a rule. Nobody is going to cause an accident if they don't turn on red.

Honk away.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by GoPacers

Right turn on red is "allowed" but is not a rule. Nobody is going to cause an accident if they don't turn on red.

Honk away.

Correct----you are not required by law to turn on red, but it is pretty much the norm as well as common courtesy.

You are not required by law to cover your mouth when coughing or sneezing either, nor does the law required you to hold your flatulence until you exit the elevator.

So most of us will continue to "honk away", incessantly, until they get the hint.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Correct----you are not required by law to turn on red, but it is pretty much the norm as well as common courtesy.

You are not required by law to cover your mouth when coughing or sneezing either, nor does the law required you to hold your flatulence until you exit the elevator.

So most of us will continue to "honk away", incessantly, until they get the hint.

So, a driver has the right to not turn on red, but the driver behind him/her has the right to honk. Got it.

[VApeople]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

It depends on the person you are honking at.

Yeah, you are correct.

Driving thru roundabouts, I always have one hand on the horn and I honk at people a lot, especially if they do not yield when I have the right-of-way.

Sometimes they ignore me, but usually they pay attention and yield to me. If they ignore me, I let them go, but I keep honking until they are out of earshot. I have never come close to hitting anyone.

[mikeycereal]

Ah some of my favorite people on the road are the ones in the far right lane sitting at the red light while it is legal and clear to go but wait for the green before turning right.

I'd watch your honking though, these days goofballs shoot other drivers for just the slightest things, like windshield washer fluid sprinkling water onto their car.

[VApeople]

Originally Posted by mikeycereal

Ah some of my favorite people on the road are the ones in the far right lane sitting at the red light while it is legal and clear to go but wait for the green before turning right.

I am one of your favorite people.

I often leave Osceola Hills, drive south on Morse, and turn right on Route 44.

If the stop light is red at 44, I wait in the right lane until it turns green.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by VApeople

I am one of your favorite people.

I often leave Osceola Hills, drive south on Morse, and turn right on Route 44.

If the stop light is red at 44, I wait in the right lane until it turns green.

My first question was going to be "why"?

But let me move that to second, the first now being: Does anyone who actually does that have even the most miniscule of driving skills whatsoever, and do they consider themselves a hazardous obstruction on the roadways as they should?

[ohioshooter]

OP, were you cited? If what you say is true, I hope you find someone that can verify that. As a person that rode motorcycles for over 50 years, I don’t always side with the rider. I see so many new riders riding above their ability and going too fast for the circumstances. With that said, my biggest fear as a rider was some old person turning in front of me. I quit riding at 72, back problems. Good luck.