[Sandtrap328]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Why do you assume law abiding gun owners are going to be drinking and using drugs because they are in a bar? Have you never heard of or known a designated driver. Do you think all people that drive to a bar, drive home drunk? If we banned AR15s, then a mass shooting occurred with a shooter using a semi auto with five 30 round magazines, then you would say we need to ban semi autos or high capacity magazines. You will never ban away murder. Sensational mass murders of the Orlando style are tragic, but totally eliminating them would do little to reduce gun crime statistics.

IF you had read my post, I DID say to ban high capacity magazines. IF semi-automatics were banned and ONLY bolt action was permitted, the carnage would not have happened.

As for designated drivers/shooters - forget it. Not Going to
happen!

Drugstore cowboys and Dirty Harry wannabees are ridiculous. Shooting in a controlled gun range is 100 percent different than in a stress situation. The drugstore cowboys and Dirty Harry wannabees have not had stress shooting since the 1970's and reflexes are gone.

[justjim]

I've seen a lot of alcohol consumed on the squares and on the outdoor patios around the squares. Do you think these are good places for people to be carrying firearms? Yes, there is food but not much food consumed in these places. Hopefully discretion will be the better part of valor for those that are carrying---especially those that are saving seats. Just a thought......

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Why would you not think other responsible ccw holders have the same legitimate concerns about safety as you? Why do you think many others fantasize about a violent exchange of gunfire simply because they have a ccw? Your generalization of the ccw holder is insulting and shows your extreme bias towards your fellow ccw holders. You indite a whole group as Dirty Harry wannabes, then as a member of this group, claim the higher ground of reasonableness?

I did not "generalize" nor did I "indict a whole group."

I simply stated my opinion regarding many people I know who have a CCW permit.

[Sandtrap328]

What about the stressful circumstnces in an actual gunfight versus shooting at targets on an air conditioned range? What makes these Marshall Dillon wannabees think they would be able to perform? If they did just freeze up completely, bullets would be flying haphazardly.

Very few of these "cowboys" has fired a gun in a combat situation since at least the 1970's. That is about 50 years!

Leave the policing to the police. The Villages DOES NOT NEED wannabees carrying pistols and getting a few drinks into themselves. You mean well but no thanks!

[Cathy H]

we have lost our way. all this chatter about the willingness to shoot someone. if you carry a gun you must be ready to use it. how sad.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

What about the stressful circumstnces in an actual gunfight versus shooting at targets on an air conditioned range? What makes these Marshall Dillon wannabees think they would be able to perform? If they did just freeze up completely, bullets would be flying haphazardly.

Very few of these "cowboys" has fired a gun in a combat situation since at least the 1970's. That is about 50 years!

Leave the policing to the police. The Villages DOES NOT NEED wannabees carrying pistols and getting a few drinks into themselves. You mean well but no thanks!

[goodtimesintv]

Ohio legalized concealed-carry weapons in bars in 2011.

There's a reason you've probably never heard that. The reason would be..... it's not been a problem!

"A year after the sound and fury over a state law allowing concealed guns in bars and restaurants, there has been silence.

Almost no incidents have been reported involving concealed-carry permit holders, and there has been no spike in violence as predicted by some opponents concerned about the volatile mix of alcohol and guns....."

Guns in bars | One year later: ‘Carry’ fear silenced | The Columbus Dispatch

[Chi-Town]

Originally Posted by goodtimesintv

Ohio legalized concealed-carry weapons in bars in 2011.

There's a reason you've probably never heard that. The reason would be..... it's not been a problem!

"A year after the sound and fury over a state law allowing concealed guns in bars and restaurants, there has been silence.

Almost no incidents have been reported involving concealed-carry permit holders, and there has been no spike in violence as predicted by some opponents concerned about the volatile mix of alcohol and guns....."

Guns in bars | One year later: ‘Carry’ fear silenced | The Columbus Dispatch

Sometimes it's hard to control your emotions during a heated moment in a bar. Maybe open carry helps......

For a few dollars more - Smoker - YouTube

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

Leave the policing to the police. The Villages DOES NOT NEED wannabees carrying pistols and getting a few drinks into themselves. You mean well but no thanks!

[Chatbrat]

I carry, my weapon has a laser sight, it helps take out the emotion, & guarantees accuracy. bY the way 10years ago I out shot my local swat team in an hostage scenario game , when I lived in NC

The real difference is, in a bad situation, you might be dodging bullets. If you can carry, CARRY--and make sure you have proper insurance and keep your mouth shut until your lawyer is present.

[HimandMe]

When stopped by a policeman who was just checking vehicles, he saw hubby's gun permit and asked if he was packing. I said no I don't like guns and the officer looked at me sternly and said I should let him....things happen.

[Chatbrat]

Just remember police are minutes away, when seconds count.

[graciegirl]

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[Carl in Tampa]

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[Carl in Tampa]

Outlaw and ColdNoMore are illustrations of Lt. Col. Dave Grossman's essay on Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs.

It's too long for me to go into here, but I will post a link. One of the main points of the essay is that people who go out unarmed in public are Sheep. He is not judgmental about the Sheep, but points out that they are at the mercy of Wolves in he absence of Sheepdogs.

Note that not all police officers are Sheepdogs. Many choose not to go armed when they are off duty. The most telling paragraph in the essay follows:

"If you are a warrior who is legally authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside without that weapon, then you become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not come today. No one can be “on” 24/7 for a lifetime. Everyone needs down time. But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself... “Baa.”

As for me..........."Arf."


On Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs