[Taltarzac725]

I wonder how many bullets were fired in the OK Corral gun battle and how many of those hit something?

And these were six shooters, shotguns and maybe a few other guns with very limited capacity.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

What about the stressful circumstnces in an actual gunfight versus shooting at targets on an air conditioned range? What makes these Marshall Dillon wannabees think they would be able to perform? If they did just freeze up completely, bullets would be flying haphazardly.

Very few of these "cowboys" has fired a gun in a combat situation since at least the 1970's. That is about 50 years!

Leave the policing to the police. The Villages DOES NOT NEED wannabees carrying pistols and getting a few drinks into themselves. You mean well but no thanks!

You do realize that most leos have never fired their weapon in the line of duty? Why do you think leos have any more training under fire than a serious ccw holder? I think you have been watching too many cop shows.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa

Outlaw and ColdNoMore are illustrations of Lt. Col. Dave Grossman's essay on Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs.

It's too long for me to go into here, but I will post a link. One of the main points of the essay is that people who go out unarmed in public are Sheep. He is not judgmental about the Sheep, but points out that they are at the mercy of Wolves in he absence of Sheepdogs.

Note that not all police officers are Sheepdogs. Many choose not to go armed when they are off duty. The most telling paragraph in the essay follows:

"If you are a warrior who is legally authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside without that weapon, then you become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not come today. No one can be “on” 24/7 for a lifetime. Everyone needs down time. But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself... “Baa.”

As for me..........."Arf."


On Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs

No Gracie, I'm not a wolf.

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I wonder how many bullets were fired in the OK Corral gun battle and how many of those hit something?

And these were six shooters, shotguns and maybe a few other guns with very limited capacity.

You enjoy research. You could probably get it pretty close.

There are some fairly detailed accounts on the Internet, including autopsy and wound reports. There's probably a pretty good count of how many rounds were fired.

It could be interesting.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...eply&p=1244190

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[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

You have watched "Sniper" too many times.



Weapons for police officers, only. Thank you for your service - but your service is no longer required.

Know that you speak for yourself., or (I suspect) a small minority. There are plenty of us who are happy to have armed, retired, LEOs and military amidst us, in addition to those of us with permits.


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[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by outlaw

You do realize that most leos have never fired their weapon in the line of duty? Why do you think leos have any more training under fire than a serious ccw holder? I think you have been watching too many cop shows.

Let's be very thankful that most LEOs have not had to fire their weapon in the line of duty. But many of the larger agencies, my old Sheriff's Office among them, do a lot to make the training stressful.

For me this included a "Live Fire House" where we entered as teams and engaged multiple targets with live ammunition, with some risk to each other. We also had a "Hogan's Alley" where you moved down a "street" and encountered both "bad guys" and "innocent civilians." We entered a "dark house" where the target could hardly be discerned. And of course all of this shooting was timed, and affected the score.

We had an interactive training room where scenarios were projected on a hit sensitive screen. It's called a "shoot/don't shoot" decision making drill, but if you wait too long you get shot by the bad guy.

And, most stressful of all, we dressed in armor, with a full face mask, and engaged each other with low velocity plastic bullets. These bullets would break the skin if bare skin was struck. They also left a blue mark wherever they hit.

Part of becoming a Hostage Negotiator required that I stand downrange within eighteen inches of a "bad guy" target while a sniper shot it when I gave the signal.

My Secret Service training included shooting after a hard run, and in conditions that were so noisy and confused that team members could not communicate with each other.

All of that being said, there are lots of civilians out there who shoot more accurately that many LEOs. And even that is not the point. The point is that if an active shooter came into any venue that I might visit, I would prefer that it be populated with Concealed Weapons carriers rather than unarmed Sheep.