[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Florida lawmakers are the ones who passed the law preventing local governments from stopping airbnbs. The latest law they passed (I believe in the recent session) has been criticized by local governments and concerned citizens as not doing much to help them solve their short term rental problem.

Florida lawmakers are not in session now so they are doing precious little of anything.

If it is indeed a fact then please provide a link or two to support your assertion.

Originally Posted by margaretmattson

A link has already been provided on this thread.

A story from 2021 about a bill that had the regulatory sections removed? That is hardly "already in the process of stopping AIRbnbs" and *that* is truly a fact.

I wonder if that wasn't passed as the current statute that actually *prohibits* regulating rentals. (EDIT: No, it is not. The "no local regulation" statute appears to be a 2011 addition)

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The Villages aren’t the only community suffering from this. Laws are in place to heavily restrict **** and AirbNB. “If a Florida court were to apply a frequency-based test, restrictions prohibiting nonresidential use would prove to be an effective tool to regulate or prohibit Airbnb and ****. There is a risk, however, that rental property owners who do not use Airbnb or other similar businesses could become collateral damage under that interpretation.”

It will only be a matter of time till short term rentals are in the past. Frequency is the key. Keep squeaking those wheels.

Florida’s First District Court of Appeal in Bennett v. Walton County, 174 So. 3d 386 (Fla. 1st DCA 2015), presented a means to potentially and significantly legally impair the Airbnb and **** business model. It takes time, but they will pass.

[ThirdOfFive]

Is it possible that this "problem" is more apparent than real?

First, considering what I've heard and read (NOT experienced directly) the primary customer base of Airb&bs seem to be a) Disney customers; and b) college kids. Neither of those two groups, it would seem, would be using Airb&bs as anything more than a base of operations: I mean, do people really think that parents with young kids or groups of college kids down for spring break are actually going to RECREATE with and among a bunch of crochety geriatrics? I doubt it. They'll be sleeping here, but off during the day doing whatever it is they're here to do.

Second, if they ARE a nuisance--doesn't the mechanisms to report and control that already exist? Florida has noise ordinances (one passed just last year, as I recall, makes it illegal for anyone to be generating a noise that can be clearly heard over a certain distance away) and a few calls to local law should clear that up. Improper parking, disturbances, littering, whatever: seems as if the issues peeving people, if reported often enough to the appropriate authorities (Community Standards? Law?) could be enough to get the offending landlord's attention and initiate appropriate remedial action--especially if fines and/or other sanctions are imposed against said landlord.

The more I think about this, the more I think that there are people here who just want to gripe.

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Is it possible that this "problem" is more apparent than real?

First, considering what I've heard and read (NOT experienced directly) the primary customer base of Airb&bs seem to be a) Disney customers; and b) college kids. Neither of those two groups, it would seem, would be using Airb&bs as anything more than a base of operations: I mean, do people really think that parents with young kids or groups of college kids down for spring break are actually going to RECREATE with and among a bunch of crochety geriatrics? I doubt it. They'll be sleeping here, but off during the day doing whatever it is they're here to do.

Second, if they ARE a nuisance--doesn't the mechanisms to report and control that already exist? Florida has noise ordinances (one passed just last year, as I recall, makes it illegal for anyone to be generating a noise that can be clearly heard over a certain distance away) and a few calls to local law should clear that up. Improper parking, disturbances, littering, whatever: seems as if the issues peeving people, if reported often enough to the appropriate authorities (Community Standards? Law?) could be enough to get the offending landlord's attention and initiate appropriate remedial action--especially if fines and/or other sanctions are imposed against said landlord.

The more I think about this, the more I think that there are people here who just want to gripe.

I'm not certain everyone is just griping. Some are collecting the facts and doing their research. I have stated I am not fully committed either way. Perhaps that is what others are debating as well.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by JGibson

TV has become to big to be a true retirement community. It's more becoming a resort and time share.

Even if they made a half hearted effort to implement some STR rules it would be almost impossible to track folks coming and going from month to month.

Mark my words TV is going to be a zoo this winter.

It's time to look for alternatives that truly are gated communities that have common sense STR rules that are enforceable.

Actually, quite easy-----don't issue guest IDs to any renter staying less than a month. They can sit in their rented Airbnb and watch TV.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Actually, quite easy-----don't issue guest IDs to any renter staying less than a month. They can sit in their rented Airbnb and watch TV.

That would work well until our parents/grands/siblings wanted to visit for a week, at our other homes. Although we could just get passes at our residence

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by asianthree

That would work well until our parents/grands/siblings wanted to visit for a week, at our other homes. Although we could just get passes at our residence

Doc said “renter” not visitor. Any effort to clean up TV would be appreciated.

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Doc said “renter” not visitor. Any effort to clean up TV would be appreciated.

I think You would have to establish what the meaning of a guest pass is. Family and friends are obviously guests. Are paying customers guests? I have been to hotels who use the term guest. Not certain what the legal meaning of guest is.

[RPDaly]

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[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by RPDaly

Or put a limit on how many guest passes a property owner can pull each month.

Yes---a limit of ONE (if it is a rental property). Family/friend guests are different. The yardstick is whether or not money has exchanged hands. And the people who live next to one of these revolving door STRs know exactly where they are.

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by RPDaly

Or put a limit on how many guest passes a property owner can pull each month.

Better Solution. The number allowed is not addressed in our Deed Restrictions? Odd! They set a limit on how long a minor can stay. Guess I am going to have to carefully read the entire deed restrictions. I am guilty of not doing so.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by margaretmattson

Not going to criticize you for having an opinion. But, it is for a judge to decide. Florida lawmakers are already in the process of stopping AIRbnbs. That is a fact. Nothing anyone's opinion is going to change.

That is absolute nonsense. The truth is exactly the opposite, as it is in most of the USA.

Most every "vacation area" in the USA is facing the same problem and time and time again, the Courts have ruled in favor of STR's (they are NOT "AirBnbs", they are Short Term Rentals).

They're a financial boondoggle for government. STR's raise property values and generate revenue ... which is why state governments all over the USA are supporting them ... just like Florida has.

Why do you think the State of Florida passed a law that PREVENTED local governments from banning STR's?

Trying to establish credibility by blatant and vociferous assertion, is part of what makes the Internet the wasteland it is. People without a clue, with little or no experience in a subject, can't wait to assert their uneducated and naive opinion and present it as fact.

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Originally Posted by BrianL99

That is absolute nonsense. STR's raise property values.

Sure….wink wink

Anyone would love to move into a neighborhood full of them. Meanwhile those STRs milk off the very system that full time residents pay for.
NOT

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

That is absolute nonsense. The truth is exactly the opposite, as it is in most of the USA.

Most every "vacation area" in the USA is facing the same problem and time and time again, the Courts have ruled in favor of STR's (they are NOT "AirBnbs", they are Short Term Rentals).

They're a financial boondoggle for government. STR's raise property values and generate revenue ... which is why state governments all over the USA are supporting them ... just like Florida has.

Why do you think the State of Florida passed a law that PREVENTED local governments from banning STR's?

Trying to establish credibility by blatant and vociferous assertion, is part of what makes the Internet the wasteland it is. People without a clue, with little or no experience in a subject, can't wait to assert their uneducated and naive opinion and present it as fact.

Didnt I say it is up to the judge/court/lawmakers to decide? If a judge/lawmakers say they are legal then we abide by that. If they make a new law banning them, then we follow that. Not understanding your point, whatsoever. Anyone can file a civil lawsuit if they feel they are being wronged. Doesn't mean they are going to win and I never asserted it.

Oh, and I cant give my opinion because I don't have a clue? What makes your opinion so valid? The reason government doesn't ban STR's is because they raise property value and generate revenue? Is that a hard-core fact? No! You/we have no idea what is behind a lawmaker's decision to write a bill on STRs. Again, just let the government handle it. In the end, we will have to abide by their decision. There are lawmakers who support STRs and there are lawmakers who are trying to get them banned. FACT!

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by margaretmattson

There are lawmakers who support STRs and there are lawmakers who are trying to get them banned. FACT!

There are tall people and short people. FACT!

Some folks have experience and an understanding of certain issues, some just blow smoke and change like the wind. FACT!