[Dantes]

We are thinking of moving for the same reason
Another reason first let me make my self clear I love children. That said when Middleton opens and the family units just wait until you have teens drag racing on the cart paths they won’t be visiting children they will be full time. If I was 16 I would have have running the trails so move of all of us old people and make room for the new Villagers

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by LaneyBeckler

Having short-term rentals available is a great alternative when relatives come to visit. Many of us have smaller homes with limited space, and there aren't that many hotels in the southern part of The Villages. How is the right to rent out one's house to polite visitors infringing on your rights? Sounds like unnecessary griping to me.

I don't know what the average STR renter is like since I live nowhere near one. But it seems that the posts by those who live nearby dispute the "polite visitor" narrative. Inconsiderate renters who block parking, litter, have loud parties until 3 AM, disrespect their property and so on does not fit into my concept of "polite visitors".

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by LaneyBeckler

Having short-term rentals available is a great alternative when relatives come to visit. Many of us have smaller homes with limited space, and there aren't that many hotels in the southern part of The Villages. How is the right to rent out one's house to polite visitors infringing on your rights? Sounds like unnecessary griping to me.

When everyone bought a home in the Villages they agreed to follow the deed restrictions. Shaming a person, asking about their infringement of rights, or calling them hate-mongers is inappropriate. If you do not wish to abide by the deed restrictions, you should not have purchased a home here. If your neighbor paints his house purple and black with an orange garage door how would that infringe on your rights? How would you feel if your entire road was filled with rental property? And, we all sent our guests over to your neighborhood?

[GATORBILL66]

Originally Posted by Normal

Here we are again, same problem same result. The developer needs to crack down on this.

https://www.**************.com/2023/...em-of-airbnbs/

People can’t be using their homes as a business with high customer volume. At the very least, sales disclosures should mention if this is a going problem in a neighborhood. Why should neighborhoods foot the pain for a greedy landlord’s abuses of The Villages system?

How do we contact the developer to express our concerns! We all need to speak up if we love our city!

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I don't know what the average STR renter is like since I live nowhere near one. But it seems that the posts by those who live nearby dispute the "polite visitor" narrative. Inconsiderate renters who block parking, litter, have loud parties until 3 AM, disrespect their property and so on does not fit into my concept of "polite visitors".

Probably true enough. But there are a couple of people near us who do that and sometimes more...and THEY'VE been homeowners here for years. Conversely the renters nearby do an admirable job at keeping up their properties and acting considerately toward their neighbors. Recently a house three doors down was purchased by a couple from Wisconsin who will be renting it out (don't know if it is airb&b or not), and they made sure the neighbors knew to call them if things get out of hand.

Lots of "problems" that news sources and discussion groups around here beat to death, really don't seem to be.

[Happydaz]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I don't know what the average STR renter is like since I live nowhere near one. But it seems that the posts by those who live nearby dispute the "polite visitor" narrative. Inconsiderate renters who block parking, litter, have loud parties until 3 AM, disrespect their property and so on does not fit into my concept of "polite visitors".

I think it all comes down to whether you are a homeowner living in your primary residence or a landlord renting out their investment houses. If you are a homeowner you want peace and quiet, if you are a landlord you want the highest return on your investment. Short term rentals can return much more money to a landlord than a monthly rental. For example, since most monthly renters come in the winter, the monthly rents for a Villages home in the off season can be $1500 a month. Compare that to $150 per night for short term stays. I think these short term rentals are very popular with landlord investors due to their higher returns. Why stay in a hotel when you can rent a whole house for five days? I wonder why the motel and hotel companies don’t seem to be concerned about this intrusion into their business model.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by margaretmattson

There is an 80/20 standard. 80% of homes must be occupied by someone over 55. Someone needs to find a way to see if this is truly happening. One entire street in my CYV neighborhood is rented out. If the actual number of homes in TV are not OCCUPIED by someone 55+ or older, we can get the Developer for false advertising. Any unoccupied rental can be counted as not part of the 80% criteria as well as those that are occupied with no one over 55 plus. Can we demand to see the actual number?

If we can get the Developer for false advertising. Rentals would seize. Unless the Developer wants to buy back all 55+ owners homes. Would we be able to break the numbers up by district? Find one district with less than 80% who are 55+ and we got what we need.

Originally Posted by Bill14564

The highlighted statement is completely wrong.

(i) at least 80 percent of the occupied units are occupied by at least one person who is 55 years of age or older

Unoccupied homes would not be part of the 80/20 count.

It is unclear what "occupied" means in regards to a rental. Does it mean occupied on the day someone knocked on the door to take the count? Does it mean occupied for at least a week? If the count is performed by looking at the age on the Resident IDs that have been issued for a home then it would depend on when the list of IDs was created.

I suppose I should get used to it on this site, but it still amazes me, how many folks just keep posting "FACTS!" they make up in their head.

Here are the "FACTS!" direct from HUD, on how the "count" works. (I believe there has been some minor interpretation changes made through the years.)

https://www.hud.gov/sites/documents/DOC_7769.PDF

[Boomer]

Reality check:



There is quite a bit of that old, “I’d love to hold your coat while you go fight,” routine showing up in this thread.

Who wants to spend their retirement fighting a losing battle?

Legislation? HAH! Does anybody actually think enough legislators would look out for the little guy? Of course there are some in legislative positions (at all levels) who are not— and never will be — for sale. But the rest? Many are rented and far too many are owned.

Those who make their full-time home in TV and have been here for years could be beginning to see turnover on their streets as longtime neighbors decide it’s time to go back home or death catches up. Therefore, even the most well established neighborhoods in TV are not immune to the potential for STRs. This could include even the more expensive homes, with all that extra room and pools, too. Could an investor see those homes as all the better to get high rents from big groups of temporary “neighbors”?

And the new neighborhoods? It is the luck of the draw as to whether the new neighborhoods ever get the chance to become real neighborhoods, as brand new homes are bought up by investors who have no intention of settling in and being a part of a community.

TV is one of a kind. That is part of its draw but at the same time, it is a lot like an experiment that has not come to its conclusion yet — and probably will not — any time soon.

Buyers who want to make a home here should add this STR issue to the list of pros and cons that every homebuyer, everywhere, should always make. (But many don’t.)

We bought pre-owned in 2013.

But we did not buy with stars in our eyes.

I have always seen owning in TV as like owning a dividend-paying stock in a corporation…..

The dividend on TV stock has always been “The Lifestyle” — that has been touted as the major selling point since the beginning of TV……..

Like owning any dividend-paying stock, the stockholder must be aware that the dividend can be cut to paying less or cut out all together.

When a stock dividend is cut or looks like it is going to be, the stockholder then decides whether it’s time to hold or sell.

As far as a solution to the issue of STRs goes, I think that ship has sailed. That horse has bolted from the barn.

Those who are upset by this issue can only choose what works for them as individuals. It’s that, “Hold or Fold” thing. Owners might not like either choice, but, to me, it looks like those two choices are realistically it.

But, of course, there will be some who want to go into battle, but there are more who just want others to go into battle so they can sit back and watch.

Save yourself — whatever that means to you and your enjoyment of your personal life in TV or elsewhere. But be clear that the developer just wants to make as much money as possible and the most money to be made is in selling more and more houses. Your wishes do not count. And guess who is holding all the cards.

Boomer

[skippy05]

Key word: enforce. You can not enforce from any practical means. Think through how you might go about it. Every solution cost real money to see it all the way through for every individual finding. Are you offering to finance every pursuit? It would be expensive to try and never ending in bound cases.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

I suppose I should get used to it on this site, but it still amazes me, how many folks just keep posting "FACTS!" they make up in their head.

Here are the "FACTS!" direct from HUD, on how the "count" works. (I believe there has been some minor interpretation changes made through the years.)

https://www.hud.gov/sites/documents/DOC_7769.PDF

Great info! Obviously The Villages is at least 25% “occupied”, so they must comply. Does anyone know if they have published records of the “surveys” they are mandated to take every 2 years? I don’t think I have filled-out, answered or been called for any survey.

[Littledavyt]

Originally Posted by margaretmattson

The more homes sold means prices can stay elevated.

Really? I would think FEWER homes sold would elevate prices, as demand would quickly overwhelm supply. What is your rationale for thinking the opposite?

[Karmanng]

Originally Posted by mspcgenius

a passing thought....

Will investors be able to purchase in middleton (family section), rent the home -- presumably long term -- to a family who can then send their children to the villages charter schools?

wonder if deed restrictions will be placed on those homes...

yes

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by Dantes

We are thinking of moving for the same reason
Another reason first let me make my self clear I love children. That said when Middleton opens and the family units just wait until you have teens drag racing on the cart paths they won’t be visiting children they will be full time. If I was 16 I would have have running the trails so move of all of us old people and make room for the new Villagers

You do realize there have always been family village areas? Middleton isn’t a new concept, it just an addition to the perks for those who work on TV property.

So when you went to the village that are family homes, how many teens were drag racing on the cart paths. Or have you never visited any of the family units.

But my bigger question is how far are you currently from Middleton, and will you ever drive from your current home weekly to watch what you in vision drag racing on the trails.

What we have observed in over 13 years, the older the residents become, the less traveled they are. Played up at OB couple weeks ago, all 3 were in late eighties. They were complaining about the new family area, just like you. I asked when was the last time you were in LSL… 2 have never been there, and one went once said it was way too far.

So I ask again why would someone who rarely leaves their area, worry about an area they may or may not ever visit. We can’t wait for the new HS to open and drive down (too far in a cart) to see the new campus, that almost looks like a small private college with great perks. We are excited for the new students.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by margaretmattson

Right! Last time you called me a know nothing about this issue was that I said lawmakers are trying to ban STRs. You said you were the only one who had "complete understanding" of the issue. Then, how did you not know of the ban in Clearwater, FL. And of the brand new ordinance in Indian Rocks Beach? You called that nonsense! Actually, truth!

Now you are claiming my idea of checking the 80% rule is stupid. I lived in Clearwater for years and they used a similar tactic to ban STRs in residential zones. But, then, again, you know everything!

When you googled Clearwater and Indian Rocks Beach did you notice that:
1. The Clearwater ban was allowed to stand because it existed before 2011. It is possible that Florida Statute 509.032 contains the 2011 exemption in order to allow the Clearwater ban.
2. The new regulations in Indian Rocks Beach, which took effect yesterday, do not ban airBnBs or restrict the duration of rentals.

I may be wrong but I am beginning to believe you are an investor. Anyone who really wanted to ban STR's would at the very least get ALL his facts straight before name-calling. BTW: your housing title doesn't impress me. Just makes me wonder how you could know so little and claim just the opposite. Weren't you the same guy who in another post claimed you worked all your life in car sales? Wow! You must have had many careers! I'm especially impressed by the governor who hired a car salesman to run his housing department.

Getting ALL the facts straight is good advice that you should try following yourself.

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

When you googled Clearwater and Indian Rocks Beach did you notice that:
1. The Clearwater ban was allowed to stand because it existed before 2011. It is possible that Florida Statute 509.032 contains the 2011 exemption in order to allow the Clearwater ban.
2. The new regulations in Indian Rocks Beach, which took effect yesterday, do not ban airBnBs or restrict the duration of rentals.



Getting ALL the facts straight is good advice that you should try following yourself.

It is too hard to post every minute detail on this forum. But, thanks for doing that. One poster called me out and stated there were no bans of any kind in Florida. I was merely responding to that.

Did the Villages not have the 80% rule before the STR's came? I believe it is very similar to Clearwater. Not asking any of you to agree with me. Just stop the unnecessary name-calling! And, not certain I am right, just throwing out an idea. GEEZ!