[Bucco]

Originally Posted by stanley

Not on the Founding Documents (The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, The Bill of Rights) alone, but on the archived material as a whole amassed during the history of the United States.
For instance The American Revolution, The Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, etc............ pretty candid and gory stuff.
I think you can take it as a PG13 rating as in the movies. Do I have a problem with it? No. But if they try to change, and rewrite history and pander to the pansies, then I have a problem with it (ie... the removal and destruction of statues)

It certainly, if you read, applies to all United States history, as I noted in the controversy in 2016 where revisions were made first to stay away from politics, then subsequently to add some of what was revised to assure accuracy.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Originally Posted by DAVES

It would take books to properly reply. Real history? History is interesting only when you actually read it. "White people systematically enslaved, raped, lynched and impoverished non-whites as a founding principle of this nation needs to be taught even if it makes a white person feel the sads."

REALITY as I see it. First of all you accept two different sets of rules to produce your views. Our legal system, you are not guilty of crimes committed by your ancestors.
My great, great great grandfather was a general on the Northern side of the civil war.
My mother's side of the family arrived in about 1913. Black slavery ended in 1865.
The RACE CARD. You could find excuses to pay reparations to most groups. The Chinese were welcomed in to build the railroads, many died doing it and were prevented from doing other jobs, the Irish were brought over as indentured servants-essentially slaves for 14 years. Later jobs could be posted with note Irish need not apply. Jews?

I am WHITE. I am not sad. I am tired of the indoctrinated HATE being used to gain political power. I HAVE NO GUILT OR REASON TO FEEL GUILTY. In terms of equality under the law. Do try to explain why a black only business is fine for you but a white only business is not.

But Jim Crow laws took over and lasted 100 years and while they got somewhat milder as the years went by they still kept much of a specific race in check

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com

The country that doesn’t exist anymore could that be the one where my father was screamed at and called a communist by Joe McCarthy for being a labor activist around the country in the 30’S and fighting in Spain against Franco or the segregated America where civil rights workers were beaten and killed or the one that drafted kids to feed into the fire of a war our leaders knew we couldn’t win ( and before you jump I was there many years) or the country where woman’s place was in the home . THAT COUNTRY

Your mention of Joe McCarthy harks back to another era of hate mongering and totally false accusations. Everyone was called a communist if 1} they disagreed with him or 2)He decided that a vendetta was needed against someone.

He ruined many many lives with his rhetoric and false allegations. I recall as child asking lots of questions about “communists” and learning that McCarthy had no idea of what a communist even was. Hope your father was able to keep his head with all the phoney and false allegations that surely must have followed

"McCarthyism is Americanism with its sleeves rolled," McCarthy said in a 1952 speech, and later that year, he published a book titled McCarthyism: The Fight For America.“. Ring famaliar

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Yes he was able to keep his head , McCarthy had him thrown out of the National Union but he kept his iron workers Union card he did have a lot of resentment because of the the many lives destroyed by one man., I hear they still honor his memory in his home town .

[Neils]

Racists come in all colors. Usually with an agenda too.

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com

But Jim Crow laws took over and lasted 100 years and while they got somewhat milder as the years went by they still kept much of a specific race in check

Truly not sure what that has to do with what I said. Nothing is ever as simple as I am right and they are wrong. The start of racism is when you/we accept black vs white. Semantics? "A specific race."

Truly simple REALITY. i am not guilty. My family is not guilty. AND I DO NOT HAVE ANY WHITE GUILT.

The RACE CARD? It is like you tap a liberal on the knee and out comes THE RACE CARD.

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Your mention of Joe McCarthy harks back to another era of hate mongering and totally false accusations. Everyone was called a communist if 1} they disagreed with him or 2)He decided that a vendetta was needed against someone.

He ruined many many lives with his rhetoric and false allegations. I recall as child asking lots of questions about “communists” and learning that McCarthy had no idea of what a communist even was. Hope your father was able to keep his head with all the phoney and false allegations that surely must have followed

"McCarthyism is Americanism with its sleeves rolled," McCarthy said in a 1952 speech, and later that year, he published a book titled McCarthyism: The Fight For America.“. Ring famaliar

There are few people that will stand up to a mob. Hitler used the powerful yet MINDLESS emotion of HATE to rise to power. Other than for the fact that COMMUNISM simply does not work there is nothing wrong with any thought. Truly simple REALITY.
You will work harder for yourself and your family than you will for your comrade. In so doing you will also produce for the entire population.

Carl Marx wrote an essay in which he said communism will not overpower capitalism in a war. Rather it will be welcomed into our schools. As far as communism, socialism and capitalism none of them exist in textbook form.

Parasites exist in nature. They weaken the host. When you have too many parasites they first slow down the host. If, they get beyond a certain number they kill the host and thus kill not only the host but themselves. Libs, would they ever say we have gotten enough. Simple REALITY-no.

[Timothyimitchell]

Originally Posted by Ecuadog

I'm thinkin' that the pendulum has gone quite far enough.

Don't wanna rile up the wrong folk. Getting pretty upset.

[eremite06]

Bring back better.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

You said slavery was over in 1865 please read up on Jim Crow laws and see that it didn’t change much

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by DAVES

There are few people that will stand up to a mob. Hitler used the powerful yet MINDLESS emotion of HATE to rise to power. Other than for the fact that COMMUNISM simply does not work there is nothing wrong with any thought. Truly simple REALITY.
You will work harder for yourself and your family than you will for your comrade. In so doing you will also produce for the entire population.

Carl Marx wrote an essay in which he said communism will not overpower capitalism in a war. Rather it will be welcomed into our schools. As far as communism, socialism and capitalism none of them exist in textbook form.

Parasites exist in nature. They weaken the host. When you have too many parasites they first slow down the host. If, they get beyond a certain number they kill the host and thus kill not only the host but themselves. Libs, would they ever say we have gotten enough. Simple REALITY-no.

I believe you totally misunderstood my post. It was not a comparison of systems in any way. It was about a man who used the word to accuse anyone who disagreed with him and in that course destroyed human beings..

If you agree with false accusations and personal attacks, then you might like McCarthy. I say he was using pure hate, by any name, to intimidate.

Comparing a completely dead and obsolete system to anything is folly, and simply using McCarthyism is avoiding the subject.

Why you went on about this dead system is well beyond me.

I just want to add for clarification, since a discussion of communism seems important to you. Not dead as I said, but I think only “alive” in 4 places.

I think anyone who lived through the McCarthy era where hate a accusation is aware of how terrible that was for our country. Your seemingly defense of it, even though it was based on lies, and falsehoods seems to be the thrust of your post.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com

The country that doesn’t exist anymore could that be the one where my father was screamed at and called a communist by Joe McCarthy for being a labor activist around the country in the 30’S and fighting in Spain against Franco or the segregated America where civil rights workers were beaten and killed or the one that drafted kids to feed into the fire of a war our leaders knew we couldn’t win ( and before you jump I was there many years) or the country where woman’s place was in the home . THAT COUNTRY

So, if you didn’t like that country why didn’t you stay in the other countries? Pawns of any race don’t control how country run. They just make all the sacrifice’s. The rich NO matter what nationality NEVER sacrifice.

[Eg_cruz]

Originally Posted by n8xwb

I read this early today ----

"The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) determined recently that America's founding documents may be "harmful or difficult" for some users to view since they reflect "outdated, biased, offensive, and possibly violent views and opinions."

Smh…….I worry about our nation

[Two Bills]

What's the problem?
Us oldies are history.
Our kids and grand kids are running the circus these days.
They will live and die by their decisions, just as we and our forefathers did.
As far as my parents were concerned, and they lived through two world wars, Rock and Roll was the cause of all the problems!

[jswirs]

[QUOTE=davem4616;2000949]there are far too many loony-tunes running around out there...you learn from history...you don't try to cover it up, or try to judge it through the eyes of the present

IMHO, among the mistakes that we've made was giving every kid a trophy for just showing up, so that their fragile feelings wouldn't be scared at a young age

we have a generation of people that grew up in a bubble and now aren't able to accept reality

we also have a lot of people in academia that are very biased....and seem to preach their own bias vs teach the course content...
then when these kids graduate and they realize they weren't prepared for the real world, they whine and pout and decide they're not going to pay off their college loans

the country I grew up in no longer exists
I agree with this post.
Compared to growing up in the 50's, the most obvious difference today, as I see it, is the lack of personal responsibility (It's not my fault I failed, it was my parents, the school system, I was bullied etc, etc.) AND a diminishing work ethic.