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Deebee007 03-23-2020 07:17 AM

Sure you can. Volunteer to take over and provide solutions.

Deebee007 03-23-2020 07:18 AM

And of course, blaming and name calling. That'll fix everything....NOT.

Spalumbos62 03-23-2020 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Villageswimmer (Post 1731823)
Amen. I note that some of your very vocal compadres have gone off the grid. And one doesn’t need a medical degree to see what’s happening in the world. Some, who act as experts, may have caused carelessness. Carelessness we cannot afford. Carelessness that can result in death.

People who use caution are not chicken littles as they’ve been called on this forum. Caution is not panic.

Yes, but caution doesn't mean panic....for the love of god, go to the store once a week or so and get your eggs, milk,fruit, cereal and 4pk of tp. Then do it again next week. In between, stay inside, watch netflix,play cards and clean a darn closet. Do not run to the store and buy out all the supplies and just generally add to the mass hysteria.
Just don't be greedy...be smart.

jswirs 03-23-2020 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by wilkinson (Post 1731947)
We have to be careful to separate fact from opinion. It is a fact that even in TV we have the effects of media hysteria - the hording of TP and paper towels. Why that is happening is my opinion is that the media deliver the news with an emphasis and tone of voice of "we don't know how bad this will become." A fact is that the grocery shelves in TV are hard to keep up with stocking is partly due to people not buying food at restaurants so they are buying food for home. I am an efficiency consultant for companies like Proctor & Gamble and Gillette - I'd love to hear your opinion of how this panic, real or imagined, is adversely affecting the efficiency of our supply chains. Your thoughts, please?

It is reasonable to think that the folks who frequent restaurants on a regular basis will now make use of the take out and delivery service that is available. To me, it is unreasonable to think that all those that eat out will now purchase all supplies necessary and do nothing but cook at home. Certainly some will do so, by I think the majority of folks that have become used to having others prepare their meals will not go to the trouble of home cooking when take out and delivery is readily available.
I have seen this condition go from concern to worry and now even to panic. And there is no reason for it, there is no shortage of anything in the supply chain. Use common sense, don't touch anything you don't have to, keep a reasonable distance from others, wash your hands more frequently and for at least 20 seconds and keep your hands away from your face. Do that and purchase items as you normally would. There is no reason to hoard.

Misky1951 03-23-2020 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 1731817)
That is opinion, not truth. This is exactly the attitude that will cause the visus to be spread. We have an opportunity to avoid what Italy is going through. However, those who refuse to participate in the effort is a real problem.

Well said!

Yukon9 03-23-2020 07:22 AM

Tell that to all those who are sick and those that have died.

billethkid 03-23-2020 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Fastskiguy (Post 1731957)
I sure hope you're right but outbreaks worsen exponentially and we're in the early stages.

There are 5 ways this can play out

-virus "just dies out" like influenza....possible but certainly isn't happening yet
-vaccine or cure is developed.....looking at a year, maybe more
-eradication...like polio (of course, we had a vaccine in the fight v polio)
-most of the population gets over a long timeframe so as to not overwhelm our healthcare
-or....most of the population gets it all at once and we end up like Italy <-avoid this!!

It's a fact that the death rate is higher in older people and...... we're living in geezer central, right?

If only 1/2 of us in TV get it and if only 2% die that's still 5000 of us buying the farm in the next few months.

Like I said, I hope you're right and this is an overreaction but, personally, I'm taking it seriously.

150,000 divided by 2 = 75,000 X .02 = 1500 .......still a very big number that needs attention to be taken seriously. There is just no need to gamble when the recommended actions are so basic.

Yes the lifestyle will be interrupted temporarily...death is forever...such a small price to pay.

cjuneprice 03-23-2020 07:31 AM

Seriously???? Wake up TV! We were down there renting last winter and have never met such an arrogant group of people. Go ahead, ignore the facts, guess you are all invincible in your little closed minded bubble.

golfing eagles 03-23-2020 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by cjuneprice (Post 1732011)
Seriously???? Wake up TV! We were down there renting last winter and have never met such an arrogant group of people. Go ahead, ignore the facts, guess you are all invincible in your little closed minded bubble.

Well, I guess you aren't planning on moving here. I'm devastated:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

billethkid 03-23-2020 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by cjuneprice (Post 1732011)
Seriously???? Wake up TV! We were down there renting last winter and have never met such an arrogant group of people. Go ahead, ignore the facts, guess you are all invincible in your little closed minded bubble.

What a nice first post!!!!
Smells like bait.
And oh by the way to be more accurate, there are SOME....but I doubt the negative blasting of TV has no need for accuracy.

davem4616 03-23-2020 07:43 AM

when the going gets tough, the tough get going

I too sense that what is going on is absolutely crazy....

Once again, we have people taking action based on no real information, on little information or on misinformation

the media certainly isn't helping...and social media is basically a rumor mill

Our elected officials are reinforcing that they are really not leaders...but slick talkers pandering to the lobby $$$

but, this too will pass and we'll eventually settle down into a new normal

let's just be kind to one another

Just saying

Lisa C 03-23-2020 07:45 AM

I understand and respect people being cautious and buying a few extra supplies. However, I'm just a single mom, trying to buy some groceries to feed my family. I've been to several grocery stores EVERY day and can barely find enough food for a few days. Caution=good. PANIC=RIDICULOUS

ColdNoMore 03-23-2020 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by coalminer (Post 1731944)
Nows your chance to bet your life on your opinion. Go out, mingle with other non believers, just stay the hell away from me.

:bigbow:

riamd1954 03-23-2020 07:49 AM

Agree

merrymini 03-23-2020 07:50 AM

Not the only one, however, I feel the stores, when seeing the panic buying should limit tp to two packages a purchase so everyone who actually NEEDS tp can have a chance to purchase it. Same with water. You cannot control stupidity in people but you can set some ground rules they did not do this. I am glad to see that costco and publix will not accept returns on these products. Finally, some common sense.

dennisgavin 03-23-2020 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 1731833)
In your eyes...

Critical thinking will allow most people to process the fact that restaurants are closed other than some which provide carry outs. One must realize people who seldom or occasionally eat at home are now grocery shopping, using products in their home in larger quanities. Stores were not prepared for the change in purchasing habits. Did people really expect nothing to change when The Villagers had to stay home? Perhaps the hysteria is in the failure to absorb that fact.

whether you eat at home or a restaurant doesn't change your bathroom habits. The TP hoarding is pathetic. Getting to close to running out here.THANKS HOARDERS!

jarodrig 03-23-2020 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 1731771)
That thinks this mass hysteria is ridiculous panicking over TP.

That’s because those people have a ****ty outlook in life !!!! ;)

Villagesgal 03-23-2020 08:04 AM

Washcloth, soap and water
 
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Originally Posted by MOMOH (Post 1731936)
I'm immuno-suppressed due to a transplant, and have a-fib and a pacemaker. I live alone, and have been self-quarantining for almost two weeks because I'm afraid that if I get sick..that will be IT! I didn't hoard toilet paper, but I'm ok for now. What happens when I'm NOT ok with toilet paper? My neighbors are kindly shopping for me, and I won't want to ask them to go from store to store for this basic need. What can we do to get back to normal so that someone can walk into a store and just buy what they need?

Are you serious about what do you do when you run out of toilet paper????? You take a shower after pooping, or use a washcloth, soap and water, or use newspaper and throw it out in a dedicated garbage bag. Remember hand washing diapers and baby bottoms before baby wipes, messy, but worked just fine. What do you think people did before toilet paper????
Seriously people, think and don't panic.

meridian5850 03-23-2020 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 1731833)
In your eyes...

Critical thinking will allow most people to process the fact that restaurants are closed other than some which provide carry outs. One must realize people who seldom or occasionally eat at home are now grocery shopping, using products in their home in larger quanities. Stores were not prepared for the change in purchasing habits. Did people really expect nothing to change when The Villagers had to stay home? Perhaps the hysteria is in the failure to absorb that fact.

They're not pooping any more than usual.....

pamhobbs 03-23-2020 08:07 AM

You are out of your freaking mind!i

rsibole 03-23-2020 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 1731771)
That thinks this mass hysteria is ridiculous? People panicking over TP. People buying guns and ammo.

Im shocked at TV...at our age we have gone thru worse. So many veterans here that went thru worse.

We have no kids here to protect and feed. But the entitled worry warts have cleaned out the stores.

Wait for two years and the news will have articles on the Year the World Went Nuts

Sorry...not buying it...scientists and politicians just love to control.

During these times, there are only two things to worry about
Are you sick or well. If you’re well there’s nothing to worry about. If you’re sick there’s only two things to worry about. Either you will live or die. If you get well there’s nothing to worry about. If you die, there’s only two things to worry about. Either you will go to Heaven or Hell. If you go to Heaven there’s nothing to worry about. But if you go to Hell you’ll be so busy shaking hands with all your former Villages friends you won’t have time to worry. . . . . so, there’s nothing to worry about.

togabill 03-23-2020 08:12 AM

And this is the problem. Follow the experts. Those are not fake bodies the Italian military is taking out of the city hospitals.

Brownmoose13 03-23-2020 08:15 AM

Just trying to understand....according to the CDC since the flu season began, approximately October 1 there has been 38 Million with the flu, 390,000 hospitalized and 23,000 have died. That is 1,000 per week that have died but I wonder why the media does not mention these numbers. The numbers they quote are thru March 14.

golfing eagles 03-23-2020 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Villagesgal (Post 1732050)
Are you serious about what do you do when you run out of toilet paper????? You take a shower after pooping, or use a washcloth, soap and water, or use newspaper and throw it out in a dedicated garbage bag. Remember hand washing diapers and baby bottoms before baby wipes, messy, but worked just fine. What do you think people did before toilet paper????
Seriously people, think and don't panic.

True, but why should anyone have to do that because of the entitled, selfish hoarders?
And what will be said if all laundry detergent is hoarded? Or water? Or milk and eggs?

Topspinmo 03-23-2020 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 1731833)
In your eyes...

Critical thinking will allow most people to process the fact that restaurants are closed other than some which provide carry outs. One must realize people who seldom or occasionally eat at home are now grocery shopping, using products in their home in larger quanities. Stores were not prepared for the change in purchasing habits. Did people really expect nothing to change when The Villagers had to stay home? Perhaps the hysteria is in the failure to absorb that fact.

So that causes the to shyt more?:ohdear:

golfing eagles 03-23-2020 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Brownmoose13 (Post 1732063)
Just trying to understand....according to the CDC since the flu season began, approximately October 1 there has been 38 Million with the flu, 390,000 hospitalized and 23,000 have died. That is 1,000 per week that have died but I wonder why the media does not mention these numbers. The numbers they quote are thru March 14.

Yes, and 617,425 have died from all other causes. The media won't mention it because it distracts from the panic and hysteria, and doesn't help their agenda, which I believe is a 3 part show:
1) convince everyone how horrible this is
2) convince everyone it was mismanaged
3) blame the president

This is serious, and deserves the media attention, but in a factual and unbiased way. I don't remember anything like this with the swine flu of 2009.

ts12755 03-23-2020 08:24 AM

I agree. Let the virus run its course. Make temporary hospitals. We may lose a huge number of folks 65 and older, and those already very sick. But the strong will servive.

Bowtorc 03-23-2020 08:25 AM

Really?

HeyGeorge 03-23-2020 08:33 AM

A look at the future?
 
Are we entering a society based on socialism? The government is telling us when we can leave our homes and when we must return! The government is some states is dictating who will get treated and who won't (hint - if you're over 60 and live in Washington State, you might not get treated). The government is telling business owners how to run their businesses. Our government has told us when we can swim, where we can socialize etc.

Socialistic society have two weapons to control the population - force and/or fear - are we succumbing to the latter! If you fear the current situation, then by all means self-quarantine. If not, we shouldn't let the government dictate to us!

(how many flames will I get for this?)

MarvM 03-23-2020 08:36 AM

"Sorry...not buying it...scientists and politicians just love to control."

If this was true, everything you said before it would not be happening !!!!!!!!

Love2Swim 03-23-2020 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Brownmoose13 (Post 1732063)
Just trying to understand....according to the CDC since the flu season began, approximately October 1 there has been 38 Million with the flu, 390,000 hospitalized and 23,000 have died. That is 1,000 per week that have died but I wonder why the media does not mention these numbers. The numbers they quote are thru March 14.

You do realize that half of the population in this country has been immunized against the flow and there are still deaths. With the coronavirus no one has been immunized therefore the number of deaths could be 10 fold. And experts have said that this virus is much more contagious than the flu. Frankly I think it is more productive to listen to the experts rather than people on social media burying their heads in the sand.

saratogaman 03-23-2020 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Villagevip (Post 1731812)
For the real news X22report, And We Know... Military planning at it's finest (12+years) WWG1WGA!

CAREFUL: it's a site loaded with conspiracy theories and hides the identity of its owner. Now why would it do that?

jswirs 03-23-2020 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JoelJohnson (Post 1731985)
How many people here in the US have to die before you believe the pandemic is real?

I don't know the answer to your question, but in the flu season of 2017 -2018 80,000 people died from influenza in the US. We're far from that number and we may get there, but maybe we will never reach that number either. This is not a time to worry or panic, it is a time to use common sense.

Bill1701 03-23-2020 08:48 AM

when I moved here several years ago, I expected to deal with a more mature group of people. Instead, it is like junior high school all over again.

Cvhowes 03-23-2020 08:49 AM

This becomes real when you have a 51 year old son, whose a father, brother and husband fighting to breathe and in pain....going to bed every night wondering if he will wake up in the night unable to breathe at all and knowing until he needs a respirator he's on his own.
I'm so tired of people not recognizing the facts that are given to us by REAL medical professionals that this is much more contagious than the flu and because of people thinking they are smarter than the professionals and selfishly cavalier (choosing my words carefully) the numbers will surpass any flu season. And they are putting others at risk and helping to tank our economy.
Fearful of these.....

jswirs 03-23-2020 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by HeyGeorge (Post 1732085)
Are we entering a society based on socialism? The government is telling us when we can leave our homes and when we must return! The government is some states is dictating who will get treated and who won't (hint - if you're over 60 and live in Washington State, you might not get treated). The government is telling business owners how to run their businesses. Our government has told us when we can swim, where we can socialize etc.

Socialistic society have two weapons to control the population - force and/or fear - are we succumbing to the latter! If you fear the current situation, then by all means self-quarantine. If not, we shouldn't let the government dictate to us!

(how many flames will I get for this?)

You make excellent points. This is what I worry about, not some virus.

Boilerman 03-23-2020 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1732091)
You do realize that half of the population in this country has been immunized against the flow and there are still deaths. With the coronavirus no one has been immunized therefore the number of deaths could be 10 fold. And experts have said that this virus is much more contagious than the flu. Frankly I think it is more productive to listen to the experts rather than people on social media burying their heads in the sand.

Bingo! We routinely have 20,000 to 80,000 US flu related deaths a year with much of the US population getting the vaccine. This is a new virus that the experts say is more contiguous and with a higher death rate. And no vaccine. Do the math and the number of deaths could be off the charts. Some are asking why the big fuss with this virus when we have flu ever year or compare it the previous swine flu. The answer is that all viruses are different and this one is way more dangerous.

No excuse for hoarding basic supplies but let’s focus on what’s important here and follow the health guidelines.

sandybill2 03-23-2020 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Buddy134 (Post 1731982)
Stores could limit quantities on anything but for some reason (maybe $), they have not done so. Sad.

My neighbor was in Winn Dixie a couple nights ago. Gentleman in front of her only had two loaves of bread---nothing else. Checker told him he could only buy one loaf. A friend shops Winn Dixie ---says every time she goes to store they have what she is looking for. She might be just lucky always getting there when shelves are stocked or maybe their limiting items made the difference. Husband was in Publix- saw a woman with at least 13 steaks in her cart. I, myself, don't have a freezer that would hold that much meat but maybe she was shopping for others-would like to think this was the case.

kenoc7 03-23-2020 08:59 AM

Sadly no.
 
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Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 1731771)
That thinks this mass hysteria is ridiculous? People panicking over TP. People buying guns and ammo.

Im shocked at TV...at our age we have gone thru worse. So many veterans here that went thru worse.

We have no kids here to protect and feed. But the entitled worry warts have cleaned out the stores.

Wait for two years and the news will have articles on the Year the World Went Nuts

Sorry...not buying it...scientists and politicians just love to control.

You aren't the only one but it would be better if you were. This is real, it isn't government or media hype. If you don't believe me look at Italy and Iran. Also, listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci, a national treasure for the USA who should get the Presidential Medal of Freedom for his incredible communication about Covid-19. If the President had taken this seriously in January and February instead of not "seeing the light" until the middle of March, the US would be in a much better situation. By the way, Bill Gates predicted a scenario like Covid-19 (not the "Chinese virus) in a TED talk on April 3rd, 2015.

go4fpsb 03-23-2020 09:01 AM

The guidelines to socil distance, not congregate and follow handwashing prodedures are musts to help flatten the curve so as not overwhelm the healthcare systems for the next weeks to come but what then? Do our healthcare experts believe the virus will dissapate, mutate into a less virlent form or what? Are we locking down, putting vast swaths of our economy out of business to give us time to build more hospital beds, masks, gowns and ventilators? If there isn’t a solid rational plan at the highest levels to use this time of intense economic disruption to come out the other side of the lock downs and closures with an orderly retoration of economis activity and get people back to work then it’s all for nothing. The virus isn’t going away in the next few months. The reality of a second round of infections once this initial lockdown is over will likely happen. The numbers of deaths from the 1918 pandemic peaked in the second wave which happened in October and November of 1918 was much greater than the first wave in the spring. The intersting aspect of the 1918 flu was it attacked the young with good immune systems and not the older poputation, just the opposite of covid virus. Perhaps the prudent plan is to allow our services industries to start back up slowly in April, the under 60 population to get back to work and we older folks stay put as best we can and hope for a vacine. I don’t know. This epidemic/pandemic will end one way or the other probably by late fall in the meantime the economic Tsunami might be worse than the covid earthquake. I am hoping our leaders in business, goverment and healthcare come together with a prudent sensible plan to lead us forward. So many unknowns and that makes us fearful. Full disclouse, My wife and I are not living in the Villages but have spent and month or more in TV for the past four years and love it and the people. We have many friends retired there. Just my two cents hopefully we will be back next year. Good luck and health.


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