While the mortality rate has not been high the economic damage will be significant world wide.

Which negatively impacts the country that developed it----another reason it's unlikely to be a bioweapon

This is real.......
 

For those that don't believe we are in a national emergency and will face a long term crisis, I ask you to post a comment on June 1 and tell us what you think then. Unfortunately you will see 20%+ unemployment, thousands of people who planned to retire to The Villages not being able to afford it, housing prices falling, and many other factors that will forever change your life. If you are fortunate enough to have money and can live your life as usual, good for you.

I hope I am dead wrong. I, unfortunately, am one of the affected ones that lost his job and can no longer retire and move to TV as planned this summer.

Really? Check the numbers coming out of Italy.

Don’t agree
 

I don’t agree, a hard hitting bio weapon, would result in immediate and catastrophic retaliation, this one is definitely crippling the West’s economies and cause massive social unrest and upheaval, with the only winner apparent at the moment, being the Chinese economy, with the country bragging that their production is almost back to full production. - Whilst I don’t want to appear paranoid, I am highly suspicious that this is far more than an accident by a secretive and oppressive regime, that wouldn’t think twice about sacrificing a few thousand elderly Chinese if it brought them world wide economic domination.

Including to China itself. :oops:

Kinda like designing a gun, where the barrel is aimed at...the one pulling the trigger. :1rotfl:

But to unleash it on your own population just doesn't seem like a solid strategy. To not have a treatment/cure/preventive for your own people doesn't seem smart either.

As for the politics, well you never want to let a good crisis go to waste and it's easy to blame the guy in charge when "acts of god" happen.

I'd say the transparency over the last week or so has been pretty damn impressive by the current administration.

PS why do we call terrible natural disasters "acts of god" anyway??

I’m sorry this happened to you. I wish you the best and hope that sometime in the not-too-distant future you will be in a position to make your move.

Ye Gods!
All we need is a few little green men from Roswell, and we wil have a full house!:icon_wink:

Housing prices will plunge like they did in 2008, so you may still be able to buy when you retire

The idea that China would unleash something on its own population is just too funny to comment on.

We call disasters “act of God” because we would desperately like to blame somebody, and when there is nobody then we can blame it on God. Makes us feel better that somebody is responsible, and insurance companies can say, well, they can’t be responsible for the works of the Creator, can they?

No, the Chinese are not stupid indeed. Unlike Americans, however, they think strategically and longer term and make big picture cost/benefit tradeoffs. It’s not beyond the pale the CCP leadership could view destruction of the American economy as being worth x,000 domestic Chinese deaths. The Axis powers in WWII could only dream about impacting our economy the way the Wuhan virus has already done, and only to get worse.

I hope they did not do it deliberately because that would be an act of war. But even smart enemies can screw up their internal control procedures which is what I think happened. For the time being, that’s my best assessment.

This link pertains to their wet market which is not that distant from their bioweapon labs.

Coronavirus may have originated from Wuhan market - YouTube

In the meantime, take comfort in the Snopes evaluation. I’d seen that analysis earlier. For people who think it’s a conspiracy theory, they can dismiss the possibility of a bioweapon and not deal with it anymore.

However, for those who would like to think more critically about what’s going on here’s a video from a former CIA Chief of Station who’s served in both the Middle East and Far East.

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Yes, I understand your point and it’s a good one in the classical sense of what a bio-weapon would typically do.

But there’s another way to look at it, because we may now be in a new era. Perhaps we need to invent a different term, something akin to a “bio-economic weapon.” With respect to the American economy, I’d say the Wuhan virus certainly has a high mortality.

An earlier poster said the Chinese are “not stupid.” Actually, I think the Chinese are smarter that we are in many respects.

No that's missing the point yet again and a faulty analogy

One could infer from your statement that you believe "governments" (of any persuasion) and "citizens" are, in effect, one and the same. Governments (including the U.S. government) have foisted MANY horrific acts upon their people in history, not to mention millions killed by their own governments (genocide) - google it!

Not so far-fetched of a concept

Fred

YES … the virus may be real but IMHO the manufactured hysteria is by design! :duck:

Fred

google "agenda-driven science" - you'll get a plethora of hits and, upon further reading, will find MANY who are accused of just that agenda (I know … hard to believe :icon_wink:


Fred

All the stores I have been going to are limiting all paper products to one per household. I've been to Costco, Sam's, Target, several Publix and several Winn Dixie. These stores all should have begun limiting purchases to one per household much sooner than they did.

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So, I guess a classic example of "damned if you do, damned if you don't" now becomes "damned if you do, damned if you don't, damned if you do too late" :)

Fred

We are missing a couple key numbers in this debate. First, we have NO idea how many people world wide have or had the virus.It could potentially be in the hundreds of thousands. We don't know because they were never tested. Second, the number of tested confirmed cases is going up every day because MORE testing is being done. It's not a case of suddenly overnite a whole bunch of people just got sick. Finally, we are not being told how many tests are being done AND how many are negative. Therefore, without this missing data, we have no idea if we are under or over reacting. We need these numbers for a logical discussion else all this pontificating is just that.

There are some in the Villages and elsewhere that are in denial about the seriousness of this pandemic. They are so use to being lied to by the media that they cannot now believe the media when it reports REAL statistics. This is a real pandemic, BUT we are Americans, and Americans have fought and won world wars, the plague, polio, etc. There is no use being hysterical, but be pragmatic about it. It is what it is and it is not something to take lightly. The reason folks are stocking up on items is that they fear martial law where they will be forced to stay home. Many Villagers do NOT have family to rush to their aid and provide them with supplies that they need.....necessities. We are proud Americans and we will NOT succumb to civil disorder. We will be civil and even care for our neighbors. I am not saying that we should lock ourselves in our homes, just be prudent in listening to the experts in how to beat this thing. This gov is doing a great job of handling these emergencies as they become evident. Do you want leaders that panic and get hysterical and shout "the sky is falling" or do you want a calm leader with a steady hand. Anyone that is criticizing our leaders need to remember that they have been elected by the people and are tasked with the responsibility of the citizens they govern. Instead of complaining about problems, think about how you can be part of the solution, not part of the problem.
I see folks lining up at the Polo Field to get tested. WHY? If you have no symptoms and prove to yourself that you are not infected, does that mean you will stay at home so you are not infected tomorrow? Are you that selfish that you would waste limited test kits, just to be able to announce that "yesterday" I tested negative. What about tomorrow. The only reason for testing is to find out if you need treatment. And apparently, until they come out with a medicine to treat it, all they will tell you is to stay home so you don't infect others. Americans do NOT panic. Americans do NOT get hysterical. This is a serious crisis, but if you use your head you can survive it. There is plenty of food in America. AND there is places that will deliver to you, IF you feel the need.
Do not announce your stupidity by suggesting that this is a hoax or that the gov is lying to you. If you do not feel this is real, then explain Italy or the other 121 countries that have the pandemic. If you want to blame someone for hiding this from you, BLAME China. China should not be experimenting with biological warfare. Yes, that part is my opinion, based on their past record and the evidence of the wide spread, hardly heard of virus.
If you are mad at the pool closures, so what? Grow up and be the adults you are supposed to be. Why should the workers be exposed to this virus, just because some elitists are upset that their pool time has been delayed?
And for those grandparents that are suddenly being inundated with grandkids that are out of school because of this, with no babysitters, keep you kids off the golf carts and near home. They are also possible spreaders and they definitely do not need to be in accidents, when the police have more important things to handle. I am seeing all kinds of kids running loose in the Villages. In my opinion, they should not even be here. But, that's just me.

Perhaps this data is available but we are not being provided with these numbers for a very specific reason. Food for thought :duck:

Fred

Your post contradicts itself. In the same (only) paragraph:

"The number...is going up every day because MORE testing is being done. [snip] "...we are not being told how many tests are bing done..."

So you don't know how many tests are being done, but you're sure that more testing is being done. Would you respond the same way if you learned that less testing is being done? Would you respond the same way if you learned that proportionately - the same amount of testing is being done, per 100,000 people with symptoms, as there were three weeks ago per 100,000 people with symptoms?

If you don't know how many were done, then you don't know whether or not it's more being done. Especially since there wouldn't be any NEED for more being done, if more people weren't showing up with symptoms.

So sad
 

Tell me the same when one of your loved ones is on a ventilator. This is not a joke.

Have you not been paying attention? More test kits have been made available therefore more testing is being done. But, we still are not informed as to how many total tests are being done. We only know how many tested positive and not how many tested negative.If we had both numbers we'd know how many tests are being done. No contradiction at all. Your response misses the entire point.

I agree. Why not tell us how many tests are performed, how many were negative, how many were positive, how many people were tested more than once, and how many times were they tested? That would be an honest and transparent report. The information they are providing is not complete and is misleading.

Crazyness is just too much
 

I'm glad we are doing what we have to in order to get control over this situation but the constant media barrage of body counts and overly dramatic reporting has freaked people out to the extent they aren't reasoning or listening to common sense any more. Horderers should have been limited in their over zealous aquisitions of TP, sanitizers and food. They are causing the rest of us to suffer the consequences of their pure greed and selfishness. They should be shamed to the max for their ignorant actions.

A rather intelligible post but I’ll tryto help you out... yes, if you’re at home 24 hours a day versus being home 8 hours a day, you will need more toilet paper at home for your shyt. Strange how some people need very thing explained to them!

Only you know your bathroom habits and requirements.

You mean they are ****ting more so they need all of the damn toilet paper they can get their grubby hands on. Get real. This is selfishness and lack of consideration for others at it's best.

They are pooping at home more than usual and I also indicated there are some head cases hoarding tp.

Read all the posts and comment more sensibly is my suggestion to people on this thread.

To save on toilet paper, please use both sides!

Glad to hear there’s at least 2 of us out there.

Glad to hear there’s at least 2 of us out there.

Better This Than 1918 Pandemic
 

Read some history people. The 1918 Spanish flu pandemic killed anywhere from 50 to 100 million people in 1918-19 worldwide.The flu came and went in 3 waves, each worse than the last. Pray to God that Covid 19 never approaches those numbers. Over 500 million people were infected worldwide. It killed over 600,000 Americans. Listen to what you’re being told and stop whining.

You don't buy it. You breathe it.

I'm taking it seriously too, but my math says 1300.

over 58,000 died in Vietnam no one made a big deal about it then and they are still dying from it, all of a sudden we have a virus and people panic and when it is over we won't see the totals of people dying anywhere near what we have seen.