As example....


"Amid the pandemic of COVID-19 for which there is currently no treatment, doctors have urged the public not to self medicate after an Arizona man died and his wife was put in critical care. The pair, both in their 60s, took chloroquine phosphate, an additive used to clean fish tanks."

Health Officials Warn Against Self-Medicating With Chloroquine for Coronavirus After Man Dies From Taking Fish Tank Cleaner

Because some cannot keep quiet, does not mean you need believe them.

They heard for weeks "this drug" could help....heard that part but ignored the constant warning from others on the same stage.

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What it means in practice, is that people will be demanding (and hording) a drug that has no *proven* efficacy in treating COVID-19, has some potentially lethal side effects when used off-label, and will prevent people who actually need it for their already-existing illnesses (such as lupus) from getting access to it due to reduced availability.

Not sure, but I thought a doctor could prescribe a drug for "off label" use without FDA approval. That is why it is called "off label" use.

You’re probably right ... desperate people do desperate things. However someone ingesting a fish tank cleaner is ... well, panicked

Couldn't agree with you more.

It’s hard for me to believe that people in general are so scared.

We’ve all weathered much worse at our age and even though we know better we let the media control our thoughts and actions.

To me it’s sad and quite stupid.

Agree! And by the way Dollar Tree on 466a has toilet paper. Four small rolls for a dollar!

And why is it doubling?? Certainly twice the number did not just come down with it. This is all about testing. The more testing, the more positives, WHO AREADY HAVE IT, will be found. Hyping the raw number does no one a service.

I agree. If they are going to report the number of positive tests, they should also report the number of negative tests. Otherwise the data is meaningless.

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The Ohio Board of Pharmacy has instituted rules requiring a physician to document that the patient has tested positive.

Cincinnati.com: Ohio pharmacy board restricts prescriptions for experimental coronavirus treatment drugs

Coronavirus: Ohio pharmacy restricts prescriptions for experimental drugs

Flu and Coronavirus
 

With all due respect, the Coronavirus and the bad flu are totally different. There are drugs for the flu and in most cases a vaccine. At this point in time, we have neither for the Coronavirus. We need to lower the curve to save as many lives as we can.

Check the statistics. People are contracting this virus and dying. I’m safely at home with my dog. The numbers in NY and NJ are multiplying rapidly. My daughter bowls with 2 people in NJ who contracted COVID-19. One recovered and is home from the hospital, the other is still hospitalized and is on a respirator. Whether you believe it or not, this is a real threat, especially to our demographics. I have a cousin whose friend has died of the virus. I’m not an alarmist but I am intelligent enough to understand the facts. Yes, the economy is disastrous right now. But is you put everyone back together again they will be together in a cemetery. Look at what is happening in Italy. They waited to self isolate and now the physicians have stopped treating the very elderly. That is known as “thinning of the herd”. Open your eyes.

The Surgeon General said today, in Trumps virtual town hall, that about 90% of people who are now being tested come back negative 👎... ie no covid19.

That number however is only about 75% for those in NYC area.

I think you have it backwards. That view is definitely NOT a conservative view.

I don't know who you mean by "they" but the reports exist and the information is publicly accessible:

Experience

Big letters on the left:

Total Tests
15,547
Positive
1,412
Negative
13,127
Results Pending
1,008

I still can't figure the guns and ammo angle. Are they afraid people will go crazy and start robbing or attacking you for your toilet paper?

Here are your statistics if we don't stop this. Estimated number of people infected 40 to 80% of the U.S. population. Mortality rate from the World Health Organization is 3.6% (significantly higher among those over 70). 330 million people in the U.S at a 40% infection rate means that 132 million people infected. 3.6% of those will die. That is 4,752,000 dead people (most of them over 70).

An estimate like that doesn't even rate a response

So people are hoarding, having panic attacks, buying guns and ammo because of the media and it’s own “ special” hype?

Are you saying you think President Roosevelt was asleep at the wheel?

You obviously did not read or comprehend the story. And it was NOT the media who poisoned the mans mind to do this. Only media involvement was aiming the camera

Read it t again....as far as the media.....many of them spent the last week warning everyone this might happen.

You have a unique lack of understanding.

[QUOTE=Bucco;1732980]You obviously did not read or comprehend the story. And it was NOT the media who poisoned the mans mind to do this. Only media involvement was aiming the camera

Read it t again....as far as the media.....many of them spent the last week warning everyone this might happen.

You have a unique lack of understanding.[/QUOTE



Lol, right... I won’t waste anymore time on this. Most people are wise to the media.:1rotfl:

Moving on
 

So, you can sit home, button up and not be in contact with anyone and collect your social security check and you’ll be fine but what about 5hose who depend on a paycheck? They need to get back to work and this hysteria isn’t helping

Can you not wonder why so many are not taking this virus seriously, and continue to ignore all warnings
Conflicting and dramatic facts and advice from news sources.
'Experts' being wheeled out in never ending numbers, to spout their latest theories and agenda,
Hospitals practicaly begging for such basic things as masks, and a lack of testing kits, yet the population is assured that all is 'Perfect' and under control
Now the latest quote from the President that he is hoping to have America open for business, and lifting many of the restrictions by Easter.
No worries there then!

Meanwhile in New York and other major cities............................:shrug:

Stay well.

I mean almost all of the national television news channels. All day long, they are displaying a chart showing "total cases" and "deaths", which is misleading to many people because the chart does not show the number of tests performed. As the number of tests increase, the number of reported cases will also increase.

At some point, we'll have to make a decision about when we open back up for business. Do we stay shuttered in for another month, three months, or what?

At some point, if we stay closed "forever," the economy simply falls apart and we'll then have different problems causing many more deaths, not to mention civil disorder.

Totaly agree, but 2-3 weeks?
Most city outbreaks will hardly have peaked by then, if the other cities in the world are anything to go by.

No one knows the exact time we have to open back up.

Agree with you 2-3 weeks won't work in NYC for sure but maybe in more rural areas??

No easy answers. All we can do is band together, avoid the partisan carping, and strive to get it right. Some of this will be playing it by ear.

Wrong ............ this should be decided by the CDC.

What is many more? What is the basis for this statement?

Not a lot of people out of work in "rural areas".

Guess who survives in a crisis. The ones who are prepared. I was a team leader in our company's emergency response organization. We had a plan, we put our plan into action. We maintained our plan's readiness action items. That's why some don't panic at the first sign of trouble. My wife and I learned the hard way after surviving a hurricane direct hit. Now we are preppers. Get a plan, and be prepared next time.

Bilcon,
I went through Hurricane Katrina. Yes, you need to be able to protect yourself. When civil order breaks down the predators come out in droves. They go for the easy targets first. Older people are a prime target. Wealthy (by the predators standards) home owners in nice neighborhoods are prime targets. I know I was there. Anyone who was isolated. When the police were called it sometimes took hours not minutes for a response.

We didn't elect the CDC to make these types of decisions. The CDC can make recommendations, but the decision should be made by the elected Government officials.

You missed my point, or maybe I wasn't clear enough?

Dr. Birks was basically saying this yesterday. Playing by ear in the sense CDC and the various other authorities will have to make the best recommendations they can on incomplete data.

The basis for this statement is my best judgment and assessment.

Let’s say hypothetically the medical authorities determine zero risk of coronavirus is achieved by everyone staying housebound for one year. The problem is, if this is done nationally in all locations, the economy stops, goods eventually become scare, people run out of essentials and so forth. Medications become hard to get along with food. Older people start to get sick and die.

As food runs out, people, probably starting in ethnically diverse neighborhoods in the large cities, start to pillage and then eventually riot. Civil disorder would then ensue.

By the way, this is why many people do in fact have numerous firearms and ammo etc stockpiled. This is often laughed at by those who consider themselves more sophisticated and tend to favor strict gun restrictions. There may be a change of opinion, over time by some, on this issue.

In any event, at some point (and that’s the tough part … which point) we have to get back to business.

This is, unfortunately, a reality of life.

I think many on this board are in denial about it. There's also probably a correlation between those who deny this reality and who likewise abhor or otherwise don't own firearms.

It is my best judgment and assessment, to disagree.

Your "hypothetically" is bizarre, totally unreal, and has no basis whatsoever in the real world. It sounds like a weird novel.

This is a forum to share information, NOT alternate world theories.

Hey, you're entitled to your opinion. I'm not going to insult or argue with you over it.

I think my earlier scenario is, albeit uncomfortable, reasonable under the terms in which I outlined it. Feel free to ignore it.