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shariys 03-23-2020 05:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by speedo8357 (Post 1731935)
I agree. Fact: there are ~ 16K confirmed cases in US. Ten years ago there were over 60 million cases of Swine flu. Yet I have friends — contemporaries of mine age wise — that do not even remember the Swine flu pandemic! While I am heeding advice — socially distancing, extra cleanliness precautions, etc., I cannot help but feel this is a run away train fueled by the media.
Real fact: as of today, 3-23-20, there are 43,449 cases of COVID19 in the US, with 545 deaths. And counting. Our government should have been taking this seriously 2 months ago.

Love2Swim 03-23-2020 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by shariys (Post 1732413)
Real fact: as of today, 3-23-20, there are 43,449 cases of COVID19 in the US, with 545 deaths. And counting. Our government should have been taking this seriously 2 months ago.
I agree. They had intel letting them know this was coming. No excuse.

Fastskiguy 03-23-2020 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by shariys (Post 1732405)
I'm taking it seriously too, but my math says 1300.
Your math is right, I don't know how I came up with 5,000. But still, 1300 in the next few months is a lot.

I guess another way to deal with this is to just keep things as normal and ride it out. We'd lose some people but maybe the economy wouldn't take such a nosedive. It would kinda suck to be one of the ones who didn't make it though....

I wonder how many people have had it, have recovered, and now are immune. Hell I felt like crap 2 weeks ago....I'd love to find out.

Aloha1 03-23-2020 06:30 PM
Fact from White House press conference just now.
313,000 tests nationwide. 87% negative.and these tests were only for people who THOUGHT they had symptoms .

ffresh 03-23-2020 06:32 PM
Interesting video
 
TRUTH: Seasonal FLU TWICE as Deadly as Coronavirus? - YouTube

The Worst Economic Collapse In History Is Starting Now: Be Prepared - YouTube

… "hyper-inflation the most likely scenario" … Peter Schiff podcast
Fed cuts rates to zero, ramps up QE - Ep 548 - YouTube

Ron Paul Liberty Report:
Home

Will we witness the death of the world economy?

Fred

TexaninVA 03-23-2020 06:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by shariys (Post 1732413)
Real fact: as of today, 3-23-20, there are 43,449 cases of COVID19 in the US, with 545 deaths. And counting. Our government should have been taking this seriously 2 months ago.
Unfortunately our government decided to focus on impeachment two months ago

Velvet 03-23-2020 06:48 PM
Yes, I guess hindsight is 20/20. The thing is here we are now, and what should we do now?

LiverpoolWalrus 03-23-2020 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bumpygreens (Post 1732217)
I was traveling out of state when the hysteria hit. The young man in the seat behind me was coughing frequently during my 2 hour and 20 minute return flight. Maybe he had a cold, allergies, asthma, flu, or any of a hundred reasons that can cause a cough. Given our current situation, it would have been nice if I could get tested, but tests are in short supply and only given to those who have symptoms. I got back to TV at 7:00pm and had dinner with my wife at a restaurant in a town square. The next day, we went to do our weekly grocery shopping. In addition to paper towels, tp, and hand sanitizer, the store was out of about half the staples on our grocery list. We bought what we could, and the next day I went to two additional stores to find the items we still needed. I found everything except paper products and hand sanitizer. Because my wife is very concerned about our short supply of those items, I go to 4 to 6 stores a day to see if they've been restocked. So far no luck. I've been doing this for a week. I will do it again today. Yesterday I developed a cough. It's probably seasonal allergies, but I have no way of knowing for sure since I can't get tested without having other symptoms. Because I don't know my status, I've been very careful to keep my distance when outside talking to my neighbors. I try to keep my distance from people in the stores I visit, but sometimes they end up crowding me. If you shop at Publix, Winn-Dixie, WalMart, Sam's Club or Aldi, please don't get too close to me. I'm trying to keep you safe. I'm over 65 and have asthma so being around all those people puts me at risk too. It's been a week. Can you let go of your hysterics long enough to leave a package of Charmin and Bounty on the shelves so I can stay at home? It would be in both our best interests.
Thank you Bumpy and I wish you the best. I hope your cough does not advance to anything else. Hey Readers: READ THIS!!! For two reasons - he may be positive and doesn't want to infect you AND he's humbly asking for two things so he can stay away from everyone. If I were in the Villages right now, I'd be happy to deliver those products to your door, Bumpy.

LiverpoolWalrus 03-23-2020 07:08 PM
[QUOTE=Velvet;1732285]The idea that China would unleash something on its own population is just too funny to comment on.

Velvet, curious what you're getting at. Do you mean it's laughably plausible, or laughable implausible? Isn't China the country that engages in female infanticide?

Female infanticide in China - Wikipedia

LiverpoolWalrus 03-23-2020 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by dmorhome (Post 1732407)
over 58,000 died in Vietnam no one made a big deal about it
I'm speechless.

Velvet 03-23-2020 07:45 PM
What I was trying to say that if the Chinese wanted to develop biological war fare they would have done so much better than the coronavirus. This is a pretty pathetic and difficult to manipulate “weapon”.

TexaninVA 03-23-2020 08:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1732448)
What I was trying to say that if the Chinese wanted to develop biological war fare they would have done so much better than the coronavirus. This is a pretty pathetic and difficult to manipulate “weapon”.
It's actually a hybrid ... call it a "bio/economic weapon" and it's proving remarkably effective in terms of impact.

Velvet 03-23-2020 08:40 PM
And first, they test it on themselves? Ok, I just have a hard time getting my mind around that idea.

And what about those Italians, they thought they had the coronavirus in November. They did not recognize what the untreatable pneumonia they were encountering was then, but now they are retesting as a possibility.

TexaninVA 03-23-2020 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1732456)
And first, they test it on themselves? Ok, I just have a hard time getting my mind around the idea.
Yes it’s non-intuitive for us because it violates our norms.

From the standpoint of China’s leadership, it’s arguably an attractive trade ... several thousand domestic casualties in exchange for bringing the American nation to its knees.

However, I do think it was accidentally released but it’s turning into a prototype due to its success.

billethkid 03-23-2020 10:23 PM
I wish I could type the Twilight Zone melody!

Byte1 03-24-2020 05:03 AM
Someone compared this illness to the flu. Facts show that this is MORE contagious than the flu, therefore more dangerous. The Flu has a contagion ratio of one to one, whereas this illness has a ratio of 1 to 2.5 or 3. The flu can be contained much easier than this illness. Take this illness seriously, but do not get hysterical. Take precautions and live the sacrifice for a couple or few weeks. It won't hurt you to be safe, but it might hurt you to be careless. All we have to do is modify our day to day living/lifestyle for a period of time until everything returns to normal.

jebartle 03-24-2020 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by mjudkins (Post 1732173)
The COVID numbers, taken by themselves, are a bit hair raising but I would welcome these stats be delivered by the media alongside the stats for the seasonal flu and other common virus infections. A little perspective would help me assess the gravity of the situation.
Unfortunately the gravity of the situation is based on the virus only if affecting you and yours or in some cases your 401k. Pity. It's not about media, government, politics (coronavirus doesn't care what your party affiliation) or 401ks, it's about SCIENCE, listen to the professionals and your doctor, and common sense.

luis s 03-24-2020 06:22 AM
Why are people in the Villages still insisting on getting service call for their appliances for minor nonsense stuff. Do you really want a stranger in your home that has been to 10 different homes that day a tech who also has customers all over Ocala and surroundings.
The only service call you should be calling for is no cool refrigerator or not working at all washer everything else is nonsense and called entitlement just because you can under warranty.. Remember all it takes is one..

Fastskiguy 03-24-2020 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1732495)
Take precautions and live the sacrifice for a couple or few weeks. It won't hurt you to be safe, but it might hurt you to be careless. All we have to do is modify our day to day living/lifestyle for a period of time until everything returns to normal.
This is what I don't understand....how is this only going to take a few weeks or few months? Complete eradication? A cure or vaccine? I don't see how this won't take a year or more.

Worldwide cases were 200K as of last Thursday, 392K as of this morning, it looks like it's doubling in 5-6 days at the moment.

gadaboutgal 03-24-2020 09:01 AM
People forget that the reason for the self-quarantine is to flatten the curve -in other words to slow the number of people getting the Covid 19 down on a day by day so that our hospitals and medical workers can handle the number of cases who do get the virus.

As it is, the number of cases are going to get so out of hand that the Medical system may completely break down. It is already getting dire without enough hospital beds, respirators and masks.

If there were fewer cases presenting on a daily basis than their would not be the demand for a greater number of respirators.
Staying home is not to keep you from getting the virus, it is really a self-sacrifice so that your neighbors and friends do not need the limited ventilators all at once.

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-24-2020 09:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bumpygreens (Post 1732217)
I was traveling out of state when the hysteria hit. The young man in the seat behind me was coughing frequently during my 2 hour and 20 minute return flight. Maybe he had a cold, allergies, asthma, flu, or any of a hundred reasons that can cause a cough. Given our current situation, it would have been nice if I could get tested, but tests are in short supply and only given to those who have symptoms. I got back to TV at 7:00pm and had dinner with my wife at a restaurant in a town square. The next day, we went to do our weekly grocery shopping. In addition to paper towels, tp, and hand sanitizer, the store was out of about half the staples on our grocery list. We bought what we could, and the next day I went to two additional stores to find the items we still needed. I found everything except paper products and hand sanitizer. Because my wife is very concerned about our short supply of those items, I go to 4 to 6 stores a day to see if they've been restocked. So far no luck. I've been doing this for a week. I will do it again today. Yesterday I developed a cough. It's probably seasonal allergies, but I have no way of knowing for sure since I can't get tested without having other symptoms. Because I don't know my status, I've been very careful to keep my distance when outside talking to my neighbors. I try to keep my distance from people in the stores I visit, but sometimes they end up crowding me. If you shop at Publix, Winn-Dixie, WalMart, Sam's Club or Aldi, please don't get too close to me. I'm trying to keep you safe. I'm over 65 and have asthma so being around all those people puts me at risk too. It's been a week. Can you let go of your hysterics long enough to leave a package of Charmin and Bounty on the shelves so I can stay at home? It would be in both our best interests.
Please DM me with your address in the Villages and I will bring you a couple rolls of TP and a roll of paper towels, and if you need rubbing alcohol let me know that as well and have an empty CLEANED class container available for a couple of ounces of it; I will pour some off from my quart for you.

LI SNOWBIRD 03-24-2020 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by jarodrig (Post 1732049)
That’s because those people have a ****ty outlook in life !!!! ;)
Hahaha thanks for the laugh.:1rotfl:

xNYer 03-24-2020 09:36 AM
Hysteria
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 1731771)
That thinks this mass hysteria is ridiculous? People panicking over TP. People buying guns and ammo.

Im shocked at TV...at our age we have gone thru worse. So many veterans here that went thru worse.

We have no kids here to protect and feed. But the entitled worry warts have cleaned out the stores.

Wait for two years and the news will have articles on the Year the World Went Nuts

Sorry...not buying it...scientists and politicians just love to control.
Curious as to whether this view is only believed by Fox News viewers?

skyking 03-24-2020 09:59 AM
Covid-19
 
1. Physicians in France are treating the most severe COVID-19 patients with symptoms with the anti malaria drug and a wide spectrum antibiotic. It's not a total cure but it also is not faux science.
2. For those who criticize the President for being optimistic, I am glad that you were not around during WWII. Imagine if we had pessimistic leaders during that difficult time. (We are all going to die! Let's give up.)

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-24-2020 10:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by skyking (Post 1732694)
1. Physicians in France are treating every COVID-19 patient with symptoms with the anti malaria drug and a wide spectrum antibiotic. It's not a total cure but it also is not faux science.
2. For those who criticize the President for being optimistic, I am glad that you were not around during WWII. Imagine if we had pessimistic leaders during that difficult time.
1. That is not true. They are experimenting and testing a small population with this combination, to learn whether or not it is a viable, practical treatment.

2. If we had pessimistic leaders during WWII, we might have participated earlier in the war, and ended it sooner.

TexaninVA 03-24-2020 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by xNYer (Post 1732685)
Curious as to whether this view is only believed by Fox News viewers?
I really think it's time for all of us to get beyond the putdowns ... 'fox news viewers," 'cnn veiwers,' etc.

It is appropriate to ask however what's the balance between common sense preparedness and panic buying / hoarding?

blueash 03-24-2020 10:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by skyking (Post 1732694)
1. Physicians in France are treating every COVID-19 patient with symptoms with the anti malaria drug and a wide spectrum antibiotic. It's not a total cure but it also is not faux science.
2. For those who criticize the President for being optimistic, I am glad that you were not around during WWII. Imagine if we had pessimistic leaders during that difficult time.
Please stop making up [lying] about this illness. I realize that you are just modeling behavior you see on TV, but perhaps you can do better than those examples.

Physicians in France are 100% absolutely NOT treating every Covid-19 patient with symptoms as you claimed. I'd love you to add links or citations when you bloviate.
Here is the actual situation:
A single report on a few patients with a control group showed a decreased the duration of viral shedding in the treated group. This was reported a few days ago. There was no data on severity of symptoms reported.

Here is what seems to be an accurate statement of the situation in France. You might note it is entirely different than your "alternative fact"

Quote:
he anti-malarial drug chloroquine can be administered in France to patients suffering from the severest forms of the coronavirus but only under strict supervision, Health Minister Olivier Veran said on Monday.
Citing a ruling adopted after a meeting of France's high public health council, Veran said the drug could not be used to treat milder cases of the illness.
Some researchers have said chloroquine shows great promise as a treatment, though scientists have agreed that more trials are needed to determine if the drug is really effective and safe.
"The high council recommends not to use this treatment... with the exception of grave cases, hospitalised, on the basis of a decision taken by doctors and under strict surveillance," Veran told reporters.
I apologize if this reply is harsh, but many posters have been so misinformed and posted such misleading lies that I am frustrated. And please don't try to characterize what is faux-science without learning what the scientific consensus might be. Hint: listen to Dr. Fauci not the person who speaks before him.

TexaninVA 03-24-2020 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1732702)
1. That is not true. They are experimenting and testing a small population with this combination, to learn whether or not it is a viable, practical treatment.

2. If we had pessimistic leaders during WWII, we might have participated earlier in the war, and ended it sooner.
Regarding point #2, there is absolutely no basis to support either of those points. It took the Pearl Harbor attack to generate a consensus amongst the right wing American Firsters and left wing pacifists. There's also some evidence FDR was aware the attack would happen which, if true, was exactly what was needed in the broader scheme of things.

TexaninVA 03-24-2020 10:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1732672)
Please DM me with your address in the Villages and I will bring you a couple rolls of TP and a roll of paper towels, and if you need rubbing alcohol let me know that as well and have an empty CLEANED class container available for a couple of ounces of it; I will pour some off from my quart for you.
Very nice of you to do this. Setting a positive example for others :a040:

junction29 03-24-2020 11:04 AM
Don’t agree
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1732448)
What I was trying to say that if the Chinese wanted to develop biological war fare they would have done so much better than the coronavirus. This is a pretty pathetic and difficult to manipulate “weapon”.
The ONLY country that will emerge from this stronger economically is China, they already have their manufacturing almost back up at full capacity and the economic downturn that is hitting all the western countries is huge - China will emerge from this as a far stronger nation economically, whilst every other country will be very significantly poorer - sadly, I believe that this is not the last of these types of viruses we will be seeing 👿👿 their government doesn’t care if there are a few thousand Chinese casualties to achieve their aim of world domination - sorry to sound paranoid, but the more I see of what is happening around the world, the more convinced I am that China is at the bottom of a very real threat to the world economy for their own benefit 👿👿

golfing eagles 03-24-2020 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by xNYer (Post 1732685)
Curious as to whether this view is only believed by Fox News viewers?
Maybe, but that's because the sky has already fallen on MSNBC viewers:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

skyking 03-24-2020 11:07 AM
They are doing more than research.

billethkid 03-24-2020 11:17 AM
how about setting aside the carping and slamming and stick to the serious subject at hand.

Amazing how some just cannot set differences aside and respect others views......when all gets said and done it amounts about as much as picking fly $hit out of pepper!

TexaninVA 03-24-2020 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1732742)
I think pointing out the conflicting messages being sent is very valid.

Adding confusion to fear and anxiety is not a good thing.

Everyone should call out those who are simply twisting information to serve another purpose no matter who those people are.

As someone who is a bit "nerdy" about factual information, I think two things, especially in the current situation.

1. Make sure you are not simply sharing an opinion, not based on anything other than anecdotal backup.

2. Everyone who shares "info" on here should allow a link so others can validate, in their mind, the validity.
I agree with your points, in particular providing links where possible so other can gauge their accuracy. We also need to, at the same time and when it comes up, disagree without being disagreeable. Casual, pointless and gratuitous insults (ie calling someone a "liar") are harmful not helpful.

Fastskiguy 03-24-2020 11:32 AM
This is the site I've been using to monitor the number of cases....it was 200,000 on Thursday, it just topped 400,000 today. That's doubling in 5 days.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 401,013 Cases and 17,480 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer

golfing eagles 03-24-2020 11:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fastskiguy (Post 1732749)
This is the site I've been using to monitor the number of cases....it was 200,000 on Thursday, it just topped 400,000 today. That's doubling in 5 days.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 401,013 Cases and 17,480 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer
But that doesn't mean there are 200,000 new cases, due to the increased testing some of that increase was expected, ie: they were already cases

ColdNoMore 03-24-2020 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1732750)
But that doesn't mean there are 200,000 new cases, due to the increased testing some of that increase was expected, ie: they were already cases

Don't be so pedantic. :oops:


It's simply a valid comparison of...apples to apples. :ohdear:

golfing eagles 03-24-2020 11:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1732758)

Don't be so pedantic. :oops:


It's simply a valid comparison of...apples to apples. :ohdear:
Sorry, but it's hardly a comparison of apples to apples. It's more like doing an apple count, and the following week realizing you didn't count an entire warehouse full of apples, and then stating the apple harvest has doubled in a week.

skyking 03-24-2020 12:07 PM
Live blog
 
Pence says "FDA approving 'off label' use for Chloroquine, no barrier to access'".

Not sure what this means in practice.

TexaninVA 03-24-2020 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by skyking (Post 1732787)
Pence says "FDA approving 'off label' use for Chloroquine, no barrier to access'.

Not sure what this means in practice.
Had a similar reaction ... I think he means a doctor can prescribe it if he /she thinks it might work for a covid patient who’s running out of options


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