[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Yes, some are addicted to their little phones. I hate dragging a phone around and since when can't phones be hacked?

What kind of hacking are you referring to? Can data be stolen? Yes. Can someone monitor what you say or type? Yes, but not easily and not likely to happen to any of us. But what does that have to do with using a phone-based digital ID?

[Velvet]

I think when it comes to backwards technology we can assume that the phone will soon be one.

[retiredguy123]

I don't have any objection to digital ID cards. But The Villages has not adopted them. Until they do, follow the rules.

[Topspinmo]

I think we should have chip installed under our skin, that was we are accounted for where ever we go. Naturally others would want in on the tracking that we are not aware of when we sign the disclaimer?

[PilotAlan]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

some people think that technology solves all real and imaginary problems, but at a very significant cost as the significance of the issue goes down

The most important statement in this thread. IT solutions involve cost, and the need does not justify the cost.
We're not talking about controlled access to a sensitive workplace, or a police department, or a server farm.
It's a pool and a rec center.

Could they add it to the Villages app? Sure. But it's not cheap or easy, and it requires connectivity and power at any location you want to read it. A card allows a person to look at it and make a judgment. No power or network connectivity required.
They see thousands of cards and can pretty easily spot a fake.
Plus the cost to fake a card is pretty significant, vs faking a digital ID (near zero, the software needed is on every computer and most phones).

Yes, Costco and Starbucks do it. They're multi-billion dollar businesses, and have a vested interest in making it easy for you to buy from them. Plus they have fixed, known locations where they already put power and connectivity, and their business model justifies the expense.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Scanning a photo *might* work - see post #57

A digital-wallet based ID or a digital representation of an ID through the Villages free app would avoid some of those problems.

i don't see any problems. .
I see some people think/feel they are inconvenienced when making absurd comparisons to other parts of their lives

[Sabella]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Personally, I like it the way it is, but I would like the ID cards checked more often.

Villages pay millions of dollars a year to buy and maintain vehicles for community watch. I know they have useful purposes but Why couldn’t they be assigned the task of checking at our amenities to see if people do in fact live in the villages. If someone is in a swimming pool and is asked to show their ID card, they should have to get out of the pool and show their ID card. People not living in the villages is a lot bigger problem than people seem to think.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Sabella

Villages pay millions of dollars a year to buy and maintain vehicles for community watch. I know they have useful purposes but Why couldn’t they be assigned the task of checking at our amenities to see if people do in fact live in the villages. If someone is in a swimming pool and is asked to show their ID card, they should have to get out of the pool and show their ID card. People not living in the villages is a lot bigger problem than people seem to think.

I agree. The rec center employees are tasked with making periodic trips to the pools to check IDs, but some of them do not ask people to get out of the pool.

Also, a previous poster said that they use a digital copy of their ID on a phone. This is specifically not allowed, and The Villages employee should have refused entry unless the resident has a plastic ID card. We are paying rec center employees to do their job and to follow the rules.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Sabella

Villages pay millions of dollars a year to buy and maintain vehicles for community watch. I know they have useful purposes but Why couldn’t they be assigned the task of checking at our amenities to see if people do in fact live in the villages. If someone is in a swimming pool and is asked to show their ID card, they should have to get out of the pool and show their ID card.f.

People not living in the villages is a lot bigger problem than people seem to think.

Share your data to back this up?

[Nana2Teddy]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

I must be in some other TV. I play all kinds of sports, clubs, etc and have never seen one person who does not have their phone with them. Possible exception would be at the pool, and even then it seems almost everyone has a phone.

Agree. For me going anywhere nowadays without my phone would be very much like me as a southpaw going anywhere without my left hand.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

What kind of hacking are you referring to? Can data be stolen? Yes. Can someone monitor what you say or type? Yes, but not easily and not likely to happen to any of us. But what does that have to do with using a phone-based digital ID?

Data being stolen is ongoing, constant. Putting all personal information, records, data on one stupid cellphone is ridiculous. Who wants that exposure and the hackers are always one step ahead of security. So you drop, lose or have your phone stolen, how do plan on continuing with your life with all your personal information on that one device. Please don't believe Apple devices can't be hacked, they may be more difficult but nothing is safe. Right now there is a quickening rise in automobile thefts do to the ease of reprogramming a new fob to one's vehicle. Don't leave valuables in your vehicle because the vehicle could disappear in a heartbeat.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Nana2Teddy

Agree. For me going anywhere nowadays without my phone would be very much like me as a southpaw going anywhere without my left hand.

With very few exceptions (because waterproof cases are a thing, albeit expensive): MOST people don't go into the pool with their cell phone. Most people can't, because most people don't have waterproof cases, or pockets in their swimsuits that can hold those waterproof cases, or sturdy waistbands on their swim bottoms where a waterproof case and phone can be efficiently and safely clipped.

However, everyone is ABLE to go into the pool with their plastic ID card. It's easy to put it in a plastic envelope with a clip attached. Or stick it in the little "key & ID" pocket in some swim suit bottoms. Or hang it around your neck on a ribbon. Or heck, even puncture a little hole in the corner that doesn't have the bar code, and affix it to your suit with a safety pin.

People with an ID on their cell phone have a built-in excuse to not show it when they're in the pool. "Sorry, can't carry my phone in the water." People with a plastic ID don't have that built-in excuse. ID-checkers should be checking IDs of everyone in the pool area. Even the ones in the water.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Data being stolen is ongoing, constant. Putting all personal information, records, data on one stupid cellphone is ridiculous. Who wants that exposure and the hackers are always one step ahead of security.

There might be less personal information on your phone than you think. In many cases, the phone is simply a portal to access information sitting on servers around the world. My Google contacts *might* be stored on my phone but they *are* stored with Google. Hacking Google's cloud (or Amazon's or Apple's or Home Depot's or ...) will have a much bigger bang for the buck then accessing any one phone.

So you drop, lose or have your phone stolen, how do plan on continuing with your life with all your personal information on that one device.

*Because* all that information is available through a single portal and because of the way the Apple ecosystem works I can quickly recover all that information very quickly.

I don't worry about anyone being able to access that data from the stolen device because of the security features of the device and the apps that access the data. FaceID, passcodes, locked-out configuration settings, 2FA, and remote-wiping features all work together to minimize the risk of unauthorized access.

Please don't believe Apple devices can't be hacked, they may be more difficult but nothing is safe.

Again, what do you mean by "hacked?" Any computer is vulnerable to phishing emails and malicious links though some operating systems are better than others at protecting the user against himself. Remotely accessing and controlling any device is possible but it comes back to the bang for the buck. A hacker can spend a tremendous amount of time working to access my device to gain all the personal files from one relatively unimportant individual. Or, they can spend their time working to access a corporate cloud and gain access to the data from hundreds of thousands of individuals; I feel pretty safe.

Right now there is a quickening rise in automobile thefts do to the ease of reprogramming a new fob to one's vehicle. Don't leave valuables in your vehicle because the vehicle could disappear in a heartbeat.

Useful PSA but what does it have to do with hacking phones?

I don't leave valuables in my car anyway. Not because I expect to be the target of a thief with the antennas and equipment to trigger and clone my key fob, but because bricks are much more common.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

There might be less personal information on your phone than you think. In many cases, the phone is simply a portal to access information sitting on servers around the world. My Google contacts *might* be stored on my phone but they *are* stored with Google. Hacking Google's cloud (or Amazon's or Apple's or Home Depot's or ...) will have a much bigger bang for the buck then accessing any one phone.




*Because* all that information is available through a single portal and because of the way the Apple ecosystem works I can quickly recover all that information very quickly.

I don't worry about anyone being able to access that data from the stolen device because of the security features of the device and the apps that access the data. FaceID, passcodes, locked-out configuration settings, 2FA, and remote-wiping features all work together to minimize the risk of unauthorized access.



Again, what do you mean by "hacked?" Any computer is vulnerable to phishing emails and malicious links though some operating systems are better than others at protecting the user against himself. Remotely accessing and controlling any device is possible but it comes back to the bang for the buck. A hacker can spend a tremendous amount of time working to access my device to gain all the personal files from one relatively unimportant individual. Or, they can spend their time working to access a corporate cloud and gain access to the data from hundreds of thousands of individuals; I feel pretty safe.



Useful PSA but what does it have to do with hacking phones?

I don't leave valuables in my car anyway. Not because I expect to be the target of a thief with the antennas and equipment to trigger and clone my key fob, but because bricks are much more common.

Apple is hacked often, but unlike others, they do not share with you this information. How often they are hacked you can gage approximately by their updates on the IOS, fixing patches etc.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

There might be less personal information on your phone than you think. In many cases, the phone is simply a portal to access information sitting on servers around the world. My Google contacts *might* be stored on my phone but they *are* stored with Google. Hacking Google's cloud (or Amazon's or Apple's or Home Depot's or ...) will have a much bigger bang for the buck then accessing any one phone.




*Because* all that information is available through a single portal and because of the way the Apple ecosystem works I can quickly recover all that information very quickly.

I don't worry about anyone being able to access that data from the stolen device because of the security features of the device and the apps that access the data. FaceID, passcodes, locked-out configuration settings, 2FA, and remote-wiping features all work together to minimize the risk of unauthorized access.



Again, what do you mean by "hacked?" Any computer is vulnerable to phishing emails and malicious links though some operating systems are better than others at protecting the user against himself. Remotely accessing and controlling any device is possible but it comes back to the bang for the buck. A hacker can spend a tremendous amount of time working to access my device to gain all the personal files from one relatively unimportant individual. Or, they can spend their time working to access a corporate cloud and gain access to the data from hundreds of thousands of individuals; I feel pretty safe.



Useful PSA but what does it have to do with hacking phones?

I don't leave valuables in my car anyway. Not because I expect to be the target of a thief with the antennas and equipment to trigger and clone my key fob, but because bricks are much more common.

You, in premise, agree with my post but are claiming that your information can be recovered quickly. It will still be compromised by the thief! One doesn't used bricks to steal a car when sly capturing and changing the keyfob will do the trick. I don't leave anything in my vehicle either other than some old CD's that make me happy when I listen to them.

Pack all you want on your phone and carry it with you everywhere, that's your choice. Many of us don't want that option and the card works. Leaving a cell phone poolside while swimming is a bizarre plan in my mind.