[perrjojo]

I frequent the Paradise dog park and most there are not people living in TV and yes, some come in their golf cart. This is not a rumor, it is my personal experience.

[njbchbum]

thank you, good doctor. they are indeed golf cart paths - but not what i consider a golf cart trail.

and as far as sneaking into a meeting or to ride on the multi-modal path or take a swim in a pool or use the hot tub or play a couple of after hour holes of golf.....sheesh!

i get where all of the whiners are coming from...but ya know what gets to me - the fact that at our age some cannot shed the cloak of entitlement and share the blanket of generosity.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

I frequent the Paradise dog park and most there are not people living in TV and yes, some come in their golf cart. This is not a rumor, it is my personal experience.

what do you do [or is one supposed to do] to see that the pets and their owners are ushered out of the park if they are not supposed to be there?

[patbbb]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

I frequent the Paradise dog park and most there are not people living in TV and yes, some come in their golf cart. This is not a rumor, it is my personal experience.

As a resident you pay for the facilities such as the dog park. Outsiders do not and are not entitled to use them. Therefore, you should report violations to Community Watch at 753-0550! Alternately, our Customer Service Center at 753-4508 will undoubtedly be happy to look into such matters.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

what do you do [or is one supposed to do] to see that the pets and their owners are ushered out of the park if they are not supposed to be there?

Bchbum, you're kidding, right?

Without asking to see ID, how on earth would you know that someone "isn't supposed to be using the dog park"? Would you consider it your responsibility to usher someone out of an adult pool if you felt they were't supposed to be there? Yikes! I would think that responsibility would be best left to someone who has the authority to check IDs, an employee of TV.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

thank you, good doctor. they are indeed golf cart paths - but not what i consider a golf cart trail.

and as far as sneaking into a meeting or to ride on the multi-modal path or take a swim in a pool or use the hot tub or play a couple of after hour holes of golf.....sheesh!

i get where all of the whiners are coming from...but ya know what gets to me - the fact that at our age some cannot shed the cloak of entitlement and share the blanket of generosity.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion on this matter. Personally, I don't believe that people that don't want outsiders coming in and using facilities that we pay for are feeling unnecessarily entitled, not are they ungenerous. If I owned a golf course and found that there were people playing on it without paying, I would certainly take action to try to stop it.

But that is my opinion and you have yours and that's fine.

But the bigger picture here is that if this has been going on, and I've seen evidence that leads me to believe it is, the developer has been allowing a competitor to sell houses based on the fact that those homeowners will have access to the Villages and many of it's amenities by golf cart. Why would any business person allow his competitor to have such an advantage at his expense?

Also, no one said anything about residents ushering people out of our facilities when they find intruders. What was suggested is that one call Community Watch and allow them to do their job.

I've know of a person that lives here full time, is a homeowner and is under age thirty who was told to leave a neighborhood pool. If that person can't be in the pool, why should people that are not residents or guests be able to swim there. Why can't we be more generous to those under the age of thirty?

[redwitch]

I imagine there are a few who use facilities they have no right to use. They're going to use them whether they arrive by cart or car. Some people like to cheat.

However, I can't see closing the paths (whether it is the ones we pay for or the ones paid for by the counties) for that reason. Those of use who travel to Lowe's, etc. via golf cart ride on private property. The new assisted living facility has even promised to pave part of that path. I can't imagine they're going to even have a paved path, let alone let us cross their property, if their residents are banned from coming to TV via golf carts. In the long run, it will be TVers who lose, not Stonecrest or Spruce Creek or .... We again won't be able to get to Lowe's, Taki's, Cracker Barrel by cart. Our stores and restaurants will lose some business -- something they can ill afford during the summer.

I'd prefer that the golf, rec and pool staffs be more diligent in checking IDs and preventing those not authorized to use these facilities than to close access to TV. Also, remember that the support-group clubs do in fact allow non-TVers to participate in their meetings. I remember the arguments when this was first allowed. It was not pretty and, personally, I thought it was dead wrong. To deny people help and support because of pettiness is ugly. To close the paths is just as ugly and petty.

[graciegirl]

It would be interesting to know among the posters just who are property owners.

It does make a big difference. If many of us have saved and planned and sacrificed and bought a home here, in many cases it is the biggest investment we have and will ever make and that fact alone makes a BIG difference in our opinions.

I think that property owners feel differently than people who WANT to live here, visit here for the season by renting and not owning and those living outside the gates.

If you live here, day after day and year around, you find that this place works, is more than just maintained, facilities are painted regularly, things are repaired without hue and cry, the Village watch makes their rounds through the villages at three in the morning. The flowers are changed in public areas each time their season changes and lovely color and trimmed bushes are the norm wherever your eye falls. If you own here the good businessman behind the curtain is protecting your personal ownership and may not ask you first but generally comes through with decisions that make this the nicest place to live I have ever experienced or even visited.

I have seen the Morse organization make a couple of lulu mistakes in my view in the six years I have been here, but for the most part I think they deserve the respect that I feel towards them.

A good amount of criticism of the Morses in my opinion is based on not what they do but the fact of their being very financially successful doing it and the contributions that they make to certain organizations.

I could be wrong and frequently am. Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water.

[DougB]

After 30 days you have to throw the baby out.

[redwitch]

Gracie, as you know, I rent. I still have a very vested interest in this community.

1. It's my home.
2. Like the homeowners, I could get twice the place if I chose to rent outside of TV. I chose the lifestyle.
3. My rent pays the amenity fees.

I believe the Morses are very astute businessmen and I don't begrudge them their wealth. I don't particularly admire them. Some of their practices are downright underhanded and some, to me, obscene. I can and do appreciate the concept of TV and the work and risks that went into making and maintaining it. I'm not grateful to them. I don't owe them anything. I pay my money to live here and to enjoy everything TV has to offer.

It is your right to admire them but to imply that those who don't own here are not as vested is not right nor fair. Even seasonal renters pay a hefty price to come here year after year. If it is not kept up, if outsiders do abuse their visiting privileges, it affects them as well. I can see asking if those posting are residents of outlying areas of TV because they might have a different agenda, but those who are staying in TV whether owning or renting have a vested interest in making sure TV is not abused.

As I said, using our facilities without the right to do so is wrong. I still see no harm in using the cart paths -- there just aren't that many folks that come from Stonecrest and Spruce Creek to make a difference. I do ask that they respect our home and not litter, not drive drunk, not be too loud, stay on the paths and off the grass and please don't pick the roses.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by redwitch

Gracie, as you know, I rent. I still have a very vested interest in this community.

1. It's my home.
2. Like the homeowners, I could get twice the place if I chose to rent outside of TV. I chose the lifestyle.
3. My rent pays the amenity fees.

I believe the Morses are very astute businessmen and I don't begrudge them their wealth. I don't particularly admire them. Some of their practices are downright underhanded and some, to me, obscene. I can and do appreciate the concept of TV and the work and risks that went into making and maintaining it. I'm not grateful to them. I don't owe them anything. I pay my money to live here and to enjoy everything TV has to offer.

It is your right to admire them but to imply that those who don't own here are not as vested is not right nor fair. Even seasonal renters pay a hefty price to come here year after year. If it is not kept up, if outsiders do abuse their visiting privileges, it affects them as well. I can see asking if those posting are residents of outlying areas of TV because they might have a different agenda, but those who are staying in TV whether owning or renting have a vested interest in making sure TV is not abused.

As I said, using our facilities without the right to do so is wrong. I still see no harm in using the cart paths -- there just aren't that many folks that come from Stonecrest and Spruce Creek to make a difference. I do ask that they respect our home and not litter, not drive drunk, not be too loud, stay on the paths and off the grass and please don't pick the roses.

I love you Redwitch. You know what I think about your heart.

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by DougB

After 30 days you have to throw the baby out.

Even if they're not in bath water?

[DaleMN]

The Villages for Villagers!!

[ttown]

Owner here...long time.
I have used area pools and executive golf courses hundreds and hundreds of times.
This was never a problem till that ill conceived wall went up.
Lets not get so sidetracked by what's mine is mine issues that we forget what started this whole mess.
Make sure we are treated with respect and we can go on living our happy Village lives.

[Indydealmaker]

Originally Posted by looneycat

but...it gives outside visitors access to the cart bridge etc...

It is my understanding that the cart bridge over 441 is public access.