[Chatbrat]

The signage is very clear-the golf cart/bicycles & pedestrians have right of way

[Topspinmo]

I avoid that MB Gauntlet during the winter months. A long with Rio Grande and Delmar. IMO the three most dangerous streets in the villages.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Chatbrat

The signage is very clear-the golf cart/bicycles & pedestrians have right of way

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

...The vehicle in a lane, in this case the cart lane to the right of cars, has a right to that lane until such time as he has passed you, or you have passed him far enough to safely cross that lane. The same is true of a bicycle in that lane. There is no "pecking order"---trucks trump cars, cars trump carts, carts trump bicycles, etc.

What CB and GE said.

[Arctic Fox]

Originally Posted by Chatbrat

The signage is very clear-the golf cart/bicycles & pedestrians have right of way

That is certainly true at the Morse/San Marino junction.

The other dangerous area is the "merge" going south in order to cross Morse before 466. I believe that cars have the right of way there, which is sensible, but why they insist on going so fast (and refusing to let carts merge) when they have to virtually stop for the gates just ahead? Maybe the speed limit on the 200 yards approaching the gates needs to be dropped, although that tends to cause traffic to bunch making it even harder for carts to merge.

Wasn't there a petition last year about all of this? Did anything happen?

[TCLaD]

When you merge from cart lane to roadway when designated to do so, you can signal all you want, check your mirrors 10 time and leave all the space you can, but if those landscape trucks want to pass you and beat the light, they are going to do it regardless. It is worse when they pull a trailer whose wheel bas his wider than the truck. The truck misses you but the trailer wheel well gets you. Please be alert.

[dave harris]

Who ever developed the traffic pattern,with carts and cars on the same road, was trying to save big bucks by not putting a cart path in. He has put a lot of people in jeopardy. In an area with so many carts this is incomprehensible.

[dbussone]

It really doesn't completely matter what the rules are. Drive defensively, and if in a cart or on a bike, be extra careful. The outcome of a collision always favors the heavier vehicle. You may not be able to argue right vs wrong after the deed is done.

And please note per: http://www.districtgov.org/community...rtBrochure.pdf

"Golf carts should yield to vehicular traffic IN ALL CASES."

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by dave harris

Who ever developed the traffic pattern,with carts and cars on the same road, was trying to save big bucks by not putting a cart path in. He has put a lot of people in jeopardy. In an area with so many carts this is incomprehensible.

Don't agree.

Transportation in TV is as safe as anywhere. And I think statistics support that.

[DonH57]

Maybe I'm missing something here but the message I'm reading from all these posts are is the car that turned in front of the cart onto San Marino was in the right to do so therefore the cart lane would not be considered a traffic lane? If you were on a four lane road you wouldn't make a right turn from the left hand lane. As much as possible I try to avoid Morse for all travel by cart.

[VApeople]

Originally Posted by DonH57

As much as possible I try to avoid Morse for all travel by cart.

Assuming you are able to drive a car, why do you ever choose to drive a cart along Morse Road?

[Chatbrat]

Death wish

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Sorry to disagree, but.....
The vehicle in a lane, in this case the cart lane to the right of cars, has a right to that lane until such time as he has passed you, or you have passed him far enough to safely cross that lane. The same is true of a bicycle in that lane. There is no "pecking order"---trucks trump cars, cars trump carts, carts trump bicycles, etc.

Hey golfing eagles: Here we go again. We just had this discussion on another thread. All vehicles cars, carts bikes are subject to the rules of the road. May I say sotto voce that I believe some car drivers actually believe carts and bike riders are second class citizens( a nuisance) and hence subordinated to their whims.

I travel Morse/Rio Grande often going to MVP and I always check on my right for the location of golf carts if they are close by I slow to let them pass to the right turning lane on Rio Grande, etc

Again with a road like Morse I treat it as a four lane highway with the two diamond lanes being right hand lanes and proceed to follow the rules of the road. Too often car drivers have this urge not to let a cart get in front of them and make a fast move which can lead to a tragedy. This cutting off is notable where carts merge at gates.

A guy, and a real gentleman, I know was seriously injured when a car made a right turn into his cart at the intersection of Morse and San Marino. The point of impact made clear that the driver of the car was negligent and that the car driver apparently never even looked.

In my humble view people here just have to adjust to the fact that golf carts are vehicles, golf cart drivers are equals and the rules of the road apply. If they do so their eye sight just might improve.

Personal Best Regards

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Hey golfing eagles: Here we go again. We just had this discussion on another thread. All vehicles cars, carts bikes are subject to the rules of the road. May I say sotto voce that I believe some car drivers actually believe carts and bike riders are second class citizens( a nuisance) and hence subordinated to their whims.

I travel Morse/Rio Grande often going to MVP and I always check on my right for the location of golf carts if they are close by I slow to let them pass to the right turning lane on Rio Grande, etc

Again with a road like Morse I treat it as a four lane highway with the two diamond lanes being right hand lanes and proceed to follow the rules of the road. Too often car drivers have this urge not to let a cart get in front of them and make a fast move which can lead to a tragedy. This cutting off is notable where carts merge at gates.

A guy, and a real gentleman, I know was seriously injured when a car made a right turn into his cart at the intersection of Morse and San Marino. The point of impact made clear that the driver of the car was negligent and that the car driver apparently never even looked.

In my humble view people here just have to adjust to the fact that golf carts are vehicles, golf cart drivers are equals and the rules of the road apply. If they do so their eye sight just might improve.

Personal Best Regards

Couldn't agree more. But one caveat: If you're the cart, bicycle, or pedestrian, try not to be DEAD right on this issue, you will be the victim of proving you had the right of way

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Couldn't agree more. But one caveat: If you're the cart, bicycle, or pedestrian, try not to be DEAD right on this issue, you will be the victim of proving you had the right of way

Golfing eagles: but of course. I'm a seasoned insurance guy and my profession made me quite aware of what constitutes a perfect storm
( accident), not that I consider myself invincible.

One factor that can't be dismissed in this topic is our demographic. An often repeated comment about the reason why people move to The Villages is, because, if they can no longer get a driver license they will at least be able to drive their carts

It hasn't occurred to them that its likely that the cause of the loss of a driver license will also be the reason they shouldn't be driving a golf cart
Indeed it is the primary reason why I believe seat belts are a good thing. I can't tell you the number of people I see in golf carts that appear as if a going over a speed bump would be enough to throw them from the cart

All of this discussion is why I carry insurance on my golf cart

I miss Doug's fish fry

[kathy and al]

The road signs at the corner of Morse and San Marino clearly show that the golf cart has the right of way. Why??? Don't know but would entertain the possibility of changing this so that the auto driver has the right of way. Golf cart drivers--please--no nasty comments. Thanks