[gerryann]

Ya can't please all the people all the time..........

[kittygilchrist]

The

Originally Posted by njbchbum

Once the coyote population has been reduced [as some posters want to see] to where it is no longer effective in controlling the varmint population of rodents, snakes and insects, etc - how will residents enjoy an overpopulation of those critters?

Really?
Could you provide information how coyotes will be reduced in number? None of the research I read lends hope for such an outcome, so Iit would be great to know your plan for How The Villages can reduce population while every other urban area in the country reports rising numbers and increasing comfort of the coyotes adapting to eating trash and pets.

Second, are you in an area where there was a problem with "varmints" before the coyotes came? In two years, I have seen a few fox sguirrels, saved one harmless garter snake from chlorine in the pool, and have no insect problems, during that time there were seldom reports of of coyotes. Did you think about your attempt to scare people? Just visualize if you can, an insect, a snake, a rat, and coyote. Forced to choose, pick which one would scare you the most if it found a door ajar and surprised you on the lanai.

Third, you do not have a pet. I commend you for being so dedicated to your perspective. What are you doing differently than before the coyotes? Or what is your plan of action should you have an encounter?

Fourth, About the food chain, The Villages has taken land from some animals and given haven to water fowl. If we become a refuge for coyotes our birds are possibly the best meal. Beloved, slow, stupid sandhills are easy prey.

If ignorance were bliss, I would envy you.

Kitty, whom you label a fear monger.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

Could you provide information how coyotes will be reduced in number? None of the research I read lends hope for such an outcome, so Iit would be great to know your plan for How The Villages can reduce population while every other urban area in the country reports rising numbers and increasing comfort of the coyotes adapting to eating trash and pets.

Second, are you in an area where there was a problem with "varmints" before the coyotes came? In two years, I have not seen a rodent, saw one snake and have no insect problems and there were seldom reports of coyotes.

Third, you do not have a pet. I commend for being so dedicated to your perspective. What are you doing differently than before the coyotes? Or what is your plan of action should you have an encounter?

You are shouting at deaf ears. It will be interesting to see how many differing views appear on here after then next animal attack, and the next. Because it will happen. It always does. Been there and seen that. You warned them.

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

You are shouting at deaf ears. It will be interesting to see how many differing views appear on here after then next animal attack, and the next. Because it will happen. It always does. Been there and seen that. You warned them.

How much strength and courage your posts have given me--like water in a dry land. I am going back to joyous living and forget this as much as possible and fast totv until it is time for a next step.

I need grace to sit in my lanai looking at the lake and the oaks, clouds, and nuances of sunlight on the mirrored water, Entertained by moss tossing in the wind, and practice letting the beauty take me and time fade the image of the canine charging up the hill. Not meaning to be so poetic, but it really is that beautiful.

Return to your rest, oh my soul.
Peace,
Kitty

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

How much strength and courage your posts have given me--like water in a dry land. I am going back to joyous living and forget this as much as possible and fast totv until it is time for a next step.

I need grace to sit in my lanai looking at the lake and the oaks, clouds, and nuances of sunlight on the mirrored water, Entertained by moss tossing in the wind, and practice letting the beauty take me and time fade the image of the canine charging up the hill. Not meaning to be so poetic, but it really is that beautiful.

Return to your rest, oh my soul.
Peace,
Kitty

FWC - Land Mammals - Coyote

Sorry all this has you down, kittygilchrist.

From the linked article it looks like it is the "under 55" coyotes so to speak who have been roaming out of their pack's territory. I do think this will continue to be a problem in those neighborhoods with ongoing development here in the Villages. I never saw a coyote in Palm Harbor, FL the nine years we were there. Lots of deer, alligators, armadillos, and other wildlife but no coyotes. I have seen with my own eyes only three coyotes here in the Villages since we moved here to Lynnhaven in June 2005. Other neighbors have had their own sightings and something left a half eaten rabbit on one of my neighbor's front door welcome mat. This was only a year or a little more ago. They thought it had been a coyote. Something must have spooked it while it was eating.

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

FWC - Land Mammals - Coyote

Sorry all this has you down, kittygilchrist.

From the linked article it looks like it is the "under 55" coyotes so to speak who have been roaming out of their pack's territory. I do think this will continue to be a problem in those neighborhoods with ongoing development here in the Villages. I never saw a coyote in Palm Harbor, FL the nine years we were there. Lots of deer, alligators, armadillos, and other wildlife but no coyotes. I have seen with my own eyes only three coyotes here in the Villages since we moved here to Lynnhaven in June 2005. Other neighbors have had their own sightings and something left a half eaten rabbit on one of my neighbor's front door welcome mat. This was only a year or a little more ago. They thought it had been a coyote. Something must have spooked it while it was eating.

Hearts to you, Tal, fellow reasearcher,
I am far from down, I am happier than ever. This issue is urgent and balancing the work with peace of soul makes us stronger. I will be back.

Synthesis is best done in a quiet mind.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

Hearts to you, Tal, fellow reasearcher,
I am far from down, I am happier than ever. This issue is urgent and balancing the work with peace of soul makes us stronger. I will be back.

Synthesis is best done in a quiet mind.

I have been looking at the wolf in Florida. It was almost hunted to extinction here. I have seen wolf hybrids here though but these have been people's pets. http://myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/im...mals/red-wolf/ The red wolves in the Villages area-- if there are any-- are protected species.

[MDLNB]

My daughter-in-law showed me a video where a coyote went over a wall after a small dog. But, the video was probably in another area, so it can't happen here. Don't worry about it.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

My daughter-in-law showed me a video where a coyote went over a wall after a small dog. But, the video was probably in another area, so it can't happen here. Don't worry about it.

Wall jumping seems unlikely here as long as there are other animals for the coyotes to hunt. Drought, fires, aggressive development do take away coyotes hunting grounds.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by mrich61

Its a sad day since the Developers have chosen to clear all the land and build, build, build....the wildlife was here before the homes...their territory is eroding.....PRESERVE means preserve..what happened to being responsible pet owners and following the leash law??

I know what you mean. They just keep building and building. And to think that we chased the Indians off their land. After all, they were here before us.

A leash is not necessarily going to protect your dog from a predator. One of my neighbors had a hawk attack his little dog....that was on a leash at that time.
We all love the wildlife, but sometimes it needs to be culled. We have more deer in America than we did a hundred years ago. That's why states like NC have a six deer hunting limit per year. Too many folks get hurt when their cars hit deer in the road.

Animals may have been here before us, but we are at the top of the food chain. I'm not going to move so that a scraggly old coyote can have more room to roam. By the way, we were here before the coyote. They are not indigenous to this area. They were brought in and released. If they leave me and mine alone, then I say live and let live. If they threaten me, then they get put down. I'll watch them travel over the golf course. I don't play golf so I think it is kind of funny if they leave a few land mines.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

I know what you mean. They just keep building and building. And to think that we chased the Indians off their land. After all, they were here before us.

A leash is not necessarily going to protect your dog from a predator. One of my neighbors had a hawk attack his little dog....that was on a leash at that time.
We all love the wildlife, but sometimes it needs to be culled. We have more deer in America than we did a hundred years ago. That's why states like NC have a six deer hunting limit per year. Too many folks get hurt when their cars hit deer in the road.

Animals may have been here before us, but we are at the top of the food chain. I'm not going to move so that a scraggly old coyote can have more room to roam. By the way, we were here before the coyote. They are not indigenous to this area. They were brought in and released. If they leave me and mine alone, then I say live and let live. If they threaten me, then they get put down. I'll watch them travel over the golf course. I don't play golf so I think it is kind of funny if they leave a few land mines.

I think this is a pretty reasonable viewpoint. Right down the middle. Thanks.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I think this is a pretty reasonable viewpoint. Right down the middle. Thanks.

Sometimes I should just wait until I have my second cup of coffee before posting. I hate sounding like other grumpy old men.

[Patty55]

Y'know, when I lived in upstate NY they would put goats out with the horses to protect the horses from wildlife-it seemed to work. Maybe if you all turned out goats that would work.

[Chi-Town]

Patrolling the lanai perimeter for coyotes.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Patty55

Y'know, when I lived in upstate NY they would put goats out with the horses to protect the horses from wildlife-it seemed to work. Maybe if you all turned out goats that would work.

Coyotes and coyote control and management

I see donkeys and llamas working in this linked handbook, but not goats? The llamas and donkeys do not seem to like dogs either?

Donkeys. Although the research has not focused on donkeys as it has on guarding dogs, they are gaining in popularity as protectors of sheep and goat flocks in the United States. A recent survey showed that in Texas alone, over 2,400 of the 11,000 sheep and goat producers had used donkeys as guardians.

from above linked manual.