[jbdlfan]

Originally Posted by duffysmom

It is upsetting to hear that you think beating the livin crap out of children is a good and ethical thing.When I grew up I had the misfortune of meeting many, many creeps who had absolutely no ethics as well as fine upstanding people. Today there are children who live exemplary lives but the press never reports the good only the bad. When I was growing up the media including print and TV were not running the country as they are now and influencing how we perceive our neighbors. Growing up I can't tell you how many times I heard about the despicable hippies, the radical college kids, and how the negro's are getting uppity, on and on ad nauseum.

It appears to me looking down on the youth while patting ourselves on the back is a generational thing.

By the way, many of the Priests who molested children were from my generation but we were too cowed by authority to take action.

I have high hopes for the generations coming up because they have the same creator I have.

This actually reminds me of the Union argument. Just because you've been around longer, that makes you better.
Well, I'm here to tell you, in my experiences around TVs, longevity doesn't always equal ethical or common sense!

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by graciegirl
Well since you asked............

I think the ethical generation(s) came from the children raised by moms and dads who beat the livin' crap out outa kids if they stole something, or got in trouble at school. I think that the ethical generation spewed forth from being monitored 24/7 by someone who loved you to death and had a very intense interest in how you turned out. I think we were scared into having a conscience and I think that a certain group of us learned a lot more about values because we didn't have as MUCH as the people who are now under 55. I think that those of us who had our shoes repaired and our vegetables canned and our fannies spanked belong to the ethical generation(s).

The rest of the folks running around with their underpants showing and those who weren't expected to have summer jobs or need summer jobs and those who are given new cars and fished out of "slight embarrassments" at school, who never lived in a family with one car and one bathroom and two to a sleeping room, and didn't HAVE to do what they were told and couldn't afford dance lessons or tutoring to get them through school belong to the not quite so ethical generations. FEAR of consequences is an awesome catalyst for ethical behavior.

I may be wrong and frequently am.
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I can see any number of things about your "ethical generation" that I wouldn't be too proud of. Thinking of the Vietnam war, the history of discrimination against people of color in this country; the history of discrimination against women in this country, and so on. The baby boomers started questioning social values and had a more altruistic bent. They formed protests against the Vietnam war, and paved the way for our withdrawal of troops; had heroes like Martin Luther King and oversaw integration; passed laws giving women rights they were entitled to....and each generation that follows will build on the previous generation. I don't think it is valid to say any particular generation has the moral high ground.

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by mickey100

I can see any number of things about your "ethical generation" that I wouldn't be too proud of. Thinking of the Vietnam war, the history of discrimination against people of color in this country; the history of discrimination against women in this country, and so on. The baby boomers started questioning social values and had a more altruistic bent. They formed protests against the Vietnam war, and paved the way for our withdrawal of troops; had heroes like Martin Luther King and oversaw integration; passed laws giving women rights they were entitled to....and each generation that follows will build on the previous generation. I don't think it is valid to say any particular generation has the moral high ground.

I don't think Gracie was claiming her generation had cornered the market on "moral high ground". What I saw in her post, because I've experienced it, is that our parents and grandparents were tough on crime, managed and raised the kids with Tough Love before it had a name other than "a damn good kick in the pants", it didn't take a master's or PhD in psychology to raise a self-supporting, law-abiding and caring citizen, and we saw some of the juvenile delinquents-in-the-making turn around and do a 180 because a caring disciplinarian adult in their life got thru to them that they were headed for prison or a life of addiction hell.

And by the way, the ones in VietNam era---MY generation--who defied the POLITICIANS who created that mess--and became pot- and heroin-addicted hippies......

The ones who got their butts punished at home by two caring parents turned out to be college educated or steady and dependable tradesmen, model citizens. But the ones whose parents did not CARE enough to get them off the streets and out of cars driven drunk....are either dead by age 50 or are dying of drugs and alcohol combined while filled cancer, emphysema, liver failure, COPD, etc.....and are collecting government (taxpayer-funded) disability and Medicare.

Their protests against the VietNam war were not all that impressive in the long run, because they destroyed their previously brilliant minds and bodies with substance abuse and addiction, and are now living off the government they hated as college students but love now because of the check and housing they get from it.

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by ilovetv

I don't think Gracie was claiming her generation had cornered the market on "moral high ground". What I saw in her post, because I've experienced it, is that our parents and grandparents were tough on crime, managed and raised the kids with Tough Love before it had a name other than "a damn good kick in the pants", it didn't take a master's or PhD in psychology to raise a self-supporting, law-abiding and caring citizen, and we saw some of the juvenile delinquents-in-the-making turn around and do a 180 because a caring disciplinarian adult in their life got thru to them that they were headed for prison or a life of addiction hell.

And by the way, the ones in VietNam era---MY generation--who defied the POLITICIANS who created that mess--and became pot- and heroin-addicted hippies......

The ones who got their butts punished at home by two caring parents turned out to be college educated or steady and dependable tradesmen, model citizens. But the ones whose parents did not CARE enough to get them off the streets and out of cars driven drunk....are either dead by age 50 or are dying of drugs and alcohol combined while filled cancer, emphysema, liver failure, COPD, etc.....and are collecting government (taxpayer-funded) disability and Medicare.

Their protests against the VietNam war were not all that impressive in the long run, because they destroyed their previously brilliant minds and bodies with substance abuse and addiction, and are now living off the government they hated as college students but love now because of the check and housing they get from it.

Wow, quite a bit of generalization about the anti-war movement, untrue to say the least. To characterize the peace movement as a bunch of people who became pot and heroin addicted, well what can one say.

Many in the peace movement were students, mothers, or anti-establishment hippies, but there was also involvement from many other groups, including educators, clergy, academics, journalists, lawyers, physicians (such as Benjamin Spock), military veterans, and ordinary Americans. On October 15, 1969, the Vietnam Moratorium attracted millions of Americans. To imply that all these peace loving Americans became heroin addicts mooching off the government is just laughable.

[birdawg]

OK so what's new about the garage doors being open.

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by mickey100

Wow, quite a bit of generalization about the anti-war movement, untrue to say the least. To characterize the peace movement as a bunch of people who became pot and heroin addicted, well what can one say.

Many in the peace movement were students, mothers, or anti-establishment hippies, but there was also involvement from many other groups, including educators, clergy, academics, journalists, lawyers, physicians (such as Benjamin Spock), military veterans, and ordinary Americans. On October 15, 1969, the Vietnam Moratorium attracted millions of Americans. To imply that all these peace loving Americans became heroin addicts mooching off the government is just laughable.

I wrote about two distinctly different groups within the war protest movement, which by the way, did warrant protest. The difference I noted was between those who were disciplined and kept off the streets as teens by their parents/grandparents/teachers, and those who were not and had no rules from parents. Sad to say, I have high-school and college classmates, and distant relatives, who fit the description of your last sentence above, perfectly. And I have others who were peace-loving, war protesting students who got it, and grew up and learned to live under the wisdom and authority of their teachers, bosses and employers.

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by birdawg

OK so what's new about the garage doors being open.

Thanks for the re-direct. We never leave the garage door up because of snakes, mice, bugs or vandals/intruders.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by mickey100

Originally Posted by graciegirl
Well since you asked............

I think the ethical generation(s) came from the children raised by moms and dads who beat the livin' crap out outa kids if they stole something, or got in trouble at school. I think that the ethical generation spewed forth from being monitored 24/7 by someone who loved you to death and had a very intense interest in how you turned out. I think we were scared into having a conscience and I think that a certain group of us learned a lot more about values because we didn't have as MUCH as the people who are now under 55. I think that those of us who had our shoes repaired and our vegetables canned and our fannies spanked belong to the ethical generation(s).

The rest of the folks running around with their underpants showing and those who weren't expected to have summer jobs or need summer jobs and those who are given new cars and fished out of "slight embarrassments" at school, who never lived in a family with one car and one bathroom and two to a sleeping room, and didn't HAVE to do what they were told and couldn't afford dance lessons or tutoring to get them through school belong to the not quite so ethical generations. FEAR of consequences is an awesome catalyst for ethical behavior.

I may be wrong and frequently am.
====================================

I can see any number of things about your "ethical generation" that I wouldn't be too proud of. Thinking of the Vietnam war, the history of discrimination against people of color in this country; the history of discrimination against women in this country, and so on. The baby boomers started questioning social values and had a more altruistic bent. They formed protests against the Vietnam war, and paved the way for our withdrawal of troops; had heroes like Martin Luther King and oversaw integration; passed laws giving women rights they were entitled to....and each generation that follows will build on the previous generation. I don't think it is valid to say any particular generation has the moral high ground.

Um....are you a LOT younger than most of us here in The Villages? If not it is your generation too. I only missed the Boomer generation by a few years I think. I am 73,

I pretty much expected this kind of response.

That is the reason that we hang out with the people with whom we feel most comfortable. There is room for all kinds of groups in The Villages.

I am glad that there are many who look at the world the same way I do.

There are many to the right of me and many to the left of me and they all think they are correct.

I didn't know any hippies or any druggies growing up. I did know quite a few drunks. I never met an Indian, East or American, a Chinese person or a Japanese person or a person from Australia or other continents until I was in my twenties. and found we were very much the same. I had a lot of black friends and a lot of Jewish friends who I went to school with. I didn't see much difference in any of them from me. I knew women could do anything because I grew up with a line of strong matriarch ancestors. The men weren't too bad either and never made me feel inferior by their words or deeds. Everyone I knew worked. They kept things clean, they took care of themselves except for the folks my grandmother called bums who would come to the back door and she would give them dinner to eat on the back porch. I didn't know bum was a bad word. She didn't treat them badly. She called them Mr. So and so and they called her Mrs. so and so. and it was just part of our life. Sometimes they'd help with jobs around the house like taking in the coal, but they always got fed.

I guess maybe a lot of bad things happened but I didn't see them or hear them except for the chickens getting killed for Sunday dinner and flopping around headless. I hated that a lot.

[kittygilchrist]

oh man, gracie, I just skimmed your post and now I have to read the whole thread cuz some cultural exchange is happening...you ought to get paid for posting.
nevermind, just get off here and write a book.

[graciegirl]

Now back to the garage door and the blatant crime in The Villages...or what were we talking about?

[kittygilchrist]

Your reminiscence had me there. Only a writer can do that.

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by birdawg

From don't leave your garage door open, to unethical genration, we have now come full circle

Wow! Just what I was thinking. Btw, I live in Mission Hills and know FOR A FACT, NOT RUMOR, that my neighbor had the GPS stollen from her car while it was parked in her drive way. Do I think we have a crime wave? NO! Do I think we need to be more careful? YES! Do I think she should have her GPS out of sight and car locked? YES! But she didn't and now we all have learned to be more cautious.

[CaptJohn]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

Wow! Just what I was thinking. Btw, I live in Mission Hills and know FOR A FACT, NOT RUMOR, that my neighbor had the GPS stollen from her car while it was parked in her drive way. Do I think we have a crime wave? NO! Do I think we need to be more careful? YES! Do I think she should have her GPS out of sight and car locked? YES! But she didn't and now we all have learned to be more cautious.

But was the garage door open or shut? That is the question.
If open, it appears she unethically invited the younger generation thief to the property.
If closed, the thief ethically had no business there and should have stayed off the driveway.

[DougB]

Probably some Vietnam war protester heroine addict whose mom and dad didn't kick the crap out of her for stealing when she was a kid.

[graciegirl]

Uncle.