[gomoho]

I don't think anyone feels threatened, but do we have to keep beating a dead horse?

[BettyCrocked]

What years of birth cover the "ethical generation" and what years are the unethical generations?

[mickey100]

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by BettyCrocked

What years of birth cover the "ethical generation" and what years are the unethical generations?

Well since you asked............

I think the ethical generation(s) came from the children raised by moms and dads who beat the livin' crap out outa kids if they stole something, or got in trouble at school. I think that the ethical generation spewed forth from being monitored 24/7 by someone who loved you to death and had a very intense interest in how you turned out. I think we were scared into having a conscience and I think that a certain group of us learned a lot more about values because we didn't have as MUCH as the people who are now under 55. I think that those of us who had our shoes repaired and our vegetables canned and our fannies spanked belong to the ethical generation(s).

The rest of the folks running around with their underpants showing and those who weren't expected to have summer jobs or need summer jobs and those who are given new cars and fished out of "slight embarrassments" at school, who never lived in a family with one car and one bathroom and two to a sleeping room, and didn't HAVE to do what they were told and couldn't afford dance lessons or tutoring to get them through school belong to the not quite so ethical generations. FEAR of consequences is an awesome catalyst for ethical behavior.

I may be wrong and frequently am.

[BettyCrocked]

I just don't tend to throw people into vast generalizations as much as the "ethical generation" seems to. I know plenty of shysters who are over the age of 55. I also know plenty of youngsters who got a car at 16 and have a lot more morals and ethics than some folks in their 60's.
There are plenty of "I'm entitled" folks over the age of 60. Many seem to think that having lived in the "shoe repair" days makes them entitled to forget about common courtesy and ethics. I see quite a few in TV and even on this message board.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by BettyCrocked

I just don't tend to throw people into vast generalizations as much as the "ethical generation" seems to. I know plenty of shysters who are over the age of 55. I also know plenty of youngsters who got a car at 16 and have a lot more morals and ethics than some folks in their 60's.
There are plenty of "I'm entitled" folks over the age of 60. Many seem to think that having lived in the "shoe repair" days makes them entitled to forget about common courtesy and ethics. I see quite a few in TV and even on this message board.

I'll say!

Don't forget mean spirited too.

[jbdlfan]

I might add....Who raised the "unethical" generation?????
Who voted for the people that shape the laws of the "unethical" generation?
And finally, the "ethical" generation are the people in Washington now!
Just because you are seasoned, doesn't make you ethical......

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by jbdlfan

I might add....Who raised the "unethical" generation?????
Who voted for the people that shape the laws of the "unethical" generation?
And finally, the "ethical" generation are the people in Washington now!
Just because you are seasoned, doesn't make you ethical......

I know you are younger, but no one mentioned any unethical generation.
Those who understand this issue are older.

And you are right of course. I was generally speaking that if you lose your clubs here in this place of OLD people, most of the time they are returned and not pawned.

[birdawg]

From don't leave your garage door open, to unethical genration, we have now come full circle

[graciegirl]

You are SO right. This thread has become toooooooo argumentative with not a judge of who is right.



Or boring???? Which is even worse.

Moderator? Shut me up!

[BobnBev]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Well since you asked............

I think the ethical generation(s) came from the children raised by moms and dads who beat the livin' crap out outa kids if they stole something, or got in trouble at school. I think that the ethical generation spewed forth from being monitored 24/7 by someone who loved you to death and had a very intense interest in how you turned out. I think we were scared into having a conscience and I think that a certain group of us learned a lot more about values because we didn't have as MUCH as the people who are now under 55. I think that those of us who had our shoes repaired and our vegetables canned and our fannies spanked belong to the ethical generation(s).

The rest of the folks running around with their underpants showing and those who weren't expected to have summer jobs or need summer jobs and those who are given new cars and fished out of "slight embarrassments" at school, who never lived in a family with one car and one bathroom and two to a sleeping room, and didn't HAVE to do what they were told and couldn't afford dance lessons or tutoring to get them through school belong to the not quite so ethical generations. FEAR of consequences is an awesome catalyst for ethical behavior.

I may be wrong and frequently am.

I'm ETHICAL

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by BettyCrocked

I just don't tend to throw people into vast generalizations as much as the "ethical generation" seems to. I know plenty of shysters who are over the age of 55. I also know plenty of youngsters who got a car at 16 and have a lot more morals and ethics than some folks in their 60's.
There are plenty of "I'm entitled" folks over the age of 60. Many seem to think that having lived in the "shoe repair" days makes them entitled to forget about common courtesy and ethics. I see quite a few in TV and even on this message board.

Nicely said.

[duffysmom]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Well since you asked............

I think the ethical generation(s) came from the children raised by moms and dads who beat the livin' crap out outa kids if they stole something, or got in trouble at school. I think that the ethical generation spewed forth from being monitored 24/7 by someone who loved you to death and had a very intense interest in how you turned out. I think we were scared into having a conscience and I think that a certain group of us learned a lot more about values because we didn't have as MUCH as the people who are now under 55. I think that those of us who had our shoes repaired and our vegetables canned and our fannies spanked belong to the ethical generation(s).

The rest of the folks running around with their underpants showing and those who weren't expected to have summer jobs or need summer jobs and those who are given new cars and fished out of "slight embarrassments" at school, who never lived in a family with one car and one bathroom and two to a sleeping room, and didn't HAVE to do what they were told and couldn't afford dance lessons or tutoring to get them through school belong to the not quite so ethical generations. FEAR of consequences is an awesome catalyst for ethical behavior.

I may be wrong and frequently am.

It is upsetting to hear that you think beating the livin crap out of children is a good and ethical thing.When I grew up I had the misfortune of meeting many, many creeps who had absolutely no ethics as well as fine upstanding people. Today there are children who live exemplary lives but the press never reports the good only the bad. When I was growing up the media including print and TV were not running the country as they are now and influencing how we perceive our neighbors. Growing up I can't tell you how many times I heard about the despicable hippies, the radical college kids, and how the negro's are getting uppity, on and on ad nauseum.

It appears to me looking down on the youth while patting ourselves on the back is a generational thing.

By the way, many of the Priests who molested children were from my generation but we were too cowed by authority to take action.

I have high hopes for the generations coming up because they have the same creator I have.

[BettyCrocked]

Originally Posted by duffysmom

It is upsetting to hear that you think beating the livin crap out of children is a good and ethical thing.When I grew up I had the misfortune of meeting many, many creeps who had absolutely no ethics as well as fine upstanding people. Today there are children who live exemplary lives but the press never reports the good only the bad. When I was growing up the media including print and TV were not running the country as they are now and influencing how we perceive our neighbors. Growing up I can't tell you how many times I heard about the despicable hippies, the radical college kids, and how the negro's are getting uppity, on and on ad nauseum.

It appears to me looking down on the youth while patting ourselves on the back is a generational thing.

By the way, many of the Priests who molested children were from my generation but we were too cowed by authority to take action.

I have high hopes for the generations coming up because they have the same creator I have.

Well said. Sweeping generalizations can definitely be a generational thing.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by duffysmom

It is upsetting to hear that you think beating the livin crap out of children is a good and ethical thing.When I grew up I had the misfortune of meeting many, many creeps who had absolutely no ethics as well as fine upstanding people. Today there are children who live exemplary lives but the press never reports the good only the bad. When I was growing up the media including print and TV were not running the country as they are now and influencing how we perceive our neighbors. Growing up I can't tell you how many times I heard about the despicable hippies, the radical college kids, and how the negro's are getting uppity, on and on ad nauseum.

It appears to me looking down on the youth while patting ourselves on the back is a generational thing.

By the way, many of the Priests who molested children were from my generation but we were too cowed by authority to take action.

I have high hopes for the generations coming up because they have the same creator I have.

Duffy's mom. I really DIDN'T mean beating the livin' crap out of kids but I do stand for spanking for the right things or a very strict time out that means time out. AND I did mean making a point about stealing and wrongdoing and KNOWING what the kids were doing because we were the folks who were raising them. I also have fine and upstanding adult grandkids and their friends are as well and they are employed!. I don't think the kids I know are bad but the kids generally seem to be getting into a lot more trouble than when we were kids. I don't recall kids being murderers frequently back then.

I hope I have the same creator you do too. I have high hopes for kids raised a lot like we were raised and a lot like our kids were raised. I remember early on listening to a psychologist who came to speak to a group of us young PTA parents and what he said stuck with me. That you can always take away rules if you have too many, but that kids need absolutes when they are little and the perimeters can be broadened when they grow older. In other words don't start disciplining a teenager, it's too late.

People who sexually abuse kids are still with us and they aren't just priests unfortunately and that in itself makes it even more important to be with children as much as you can if you are their parent. It is not only the big things but the little things. It is the protecting and the cookie giving and the kisses and kindness and hugs and winks and the togetherness that forms a small child's character. AND seeing us forms our children. It isn't what we tell them, it is what we ARE they will become...and that goes for the folks who are the caregivers to todays generation. Important to vette them well.

Things have changed...and some things are for the better and some aren't.

I am sure you are right and I am sure I didn't make my point clearly, It is twice now in 24 hours I have been nailed for exaggeration. I never had the livin' crap beat outa me nor did I beat my children. I did get a few spankings.