[MX rider]

Originally Posted by asianthree

I bike here, but load up my bike and go south, not a fan of riding on the roads. Today in my cart, I stopped at end of tunnel looked both ways, waiting for a bicycle to go by. Path goes up slight incline, bike was 10 feet in front of me, the women fell over. I stopped immediately as did the other 3 carts behind me, with no issues.

The bicyclists still staring at her bike just stood there, not try to pick it up, or move out of the path. Now traffic is stopped all the way through the tunnel, and oncoming lane, due to bike in the middle of the path.

Since all carts were at a standstill and not in danger of exiting my cart, myself and cart behind got out to help. She needed someone to pick up her bike, and walk it up the hill, because she usually falls over going up hills. Her words, not mine.

Some should not be out alone.

Thats terrible none of the other bikers would help her.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Toymeister

I posted the loud bike horn reply, Loud Bicycle | Car horn for bikes

Topspinmo posted a disingenuous reply that ebikes are the same as mopeds, in other words these are "vehicles" that require licensure by the state and by extension should not be allowed on the MMPs.

Ebikes, by definition of the Federal Government are essentially bicycles. Motor vehicles i.e. cars, motorcycles and mopeds fall under part 49 of the US Code of Federal regulations as well as other CFR parts which define what a vehicle is.

Bicycles and electric bikes fall under the jurisdiction of the Consumer Product Safety Commission. The CPSC also details what an ebike is, not any poster reading this thinks it is. In addition our Governor in the summer of 2020 signed into law a change to Florida statutes that ebikes are allowed everywhere bicycles are allowed.

I like to think my post shuts down idiotic replies but I know better...

I agree with the discussion of Ebikes. Many are limited to 20mph and most riders can NOT pedal them faster than 15 MPH even with the Emotor's boost. A young biker on a regular bike can go 15 MPH. Ebikes tend to be popular with older riders because it allows them to increase their biking range and get up hills that they could go up easily when they were age 25, but is very difficult for them at age 70.

[cj1040]

Originally Posted by MrFlorida

When I ride my bike I stay way over to the right so carts can easily pass.... But, I've seen some bikers riding right in the center of the path and refuse to let anything pass... It works both ways, please people, be courteous.

As members of the Sumter Bike Club we are told to "own the path" so we dont get run off into the edge of the pavement where tires can get caught causing an accident. Golf cars in a hurry can go into the grass and pass without safety worries like this.

[PurePeach]

Originally Posted by Mrprez

Golf cart path as in a path on a golf course or multimodal path, not on a golf course? If you are talking about the former, bicycles are not allowed on golf cart paths. Only golfers.

Yes, the question isn’t clear. Many people refer to both by the same name, which is incorrect.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by MX rider

Thats terrible none of the other bikers would help her.

She Couldn’t keep up with the group. She definitely didn’t belong on a road, or a path. Not the first time I have encountered a person riding a bike that shouldn’t be.

Couple weeks ago just past Laurel Manor, watched a man become very wobbly, and fell while riding with a group. Almost took out couple other riders. Very lucky a car wasn’t in the lane next to them, or it would have been a very sad outcome.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by toeser

I drive a car, a golf cart, and I ride a bicycle, so I think I have a balanced perspective.

90% of golf cart drivers are reasonable, safe, and courteous. Some could show some improvement, but are O.K. However, that last 2% should be banned from the paths.

The golf cart drivers I fear the most are 1) those who shave by me when passing, and 2) those who cannot stay on their side of the path.

Apparently the idea of slowing down when passing is not safe is lost on some drivers. They try to squeeze between my bike and an oncoming golf cart. That is insane and highly risky. If anyone gets trapped behind me for more than 10 seconds, I look for a place to pull over and let them by, so it's not like I'm taking up their day. What really irritates me is when a golf cart driver will pass me when there is no oncoming traffic, but stays one half in my lane. Do they not pull over to the oncoming lane when passing other cars on the highway?

The other problem is golf cart drivers who will not stay on their side of the painted or implied center line. This is especially high risk when going around blind corners. I have come around more than one corner only to be head to head with an oncoming golf cart in my lane. STOP CUTTING CORNERS.

Your "balanced perspective" only slammed golf cart drivers... Just sayin'...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by DaleDivine

Goodbye...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

It may cause problems. It already has 5 pages of comments. I notice golf carts speeding by on my residential street. It appears that a lot of golf cart owners have illegally increased their vehicle's governor or jacked up their injector pump to attain higher speeds. I don't see any Police monitoring Golf cart speed and ticketing them. That may be happening in other neighborhoods? Yesterday we had pictures of the small alcohol bottles strewn around TV Land.
.......When I ask myself - how and WHY this general attitude of recklessness has taken hold of the US and especially in an older gated community of conservative people? People seem to be recently prone to ALL forms of reckless behavior including speeding. In this case, they seem ENTITLED to own the community trails in a childish, "we don't stop for nobody" regression to 1st-grade egotistic philosophy. Other known statistics on reckless behavior are crime and murder increase, more physical confrontations with flight attendants, more drug and alcohol abuse, and many others that I won't bother to list. So WHY is this happening now?
......."The answer my friend" IS in looking at the BIG PICTURE!

Do you own a radar gun? How do you know how fast they were going?

As to WHY this is happening now... Because it's the same thing that was happening then...

But I'm sure you'll tell us your thoughts on the subject...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I found out about that the hard way when I 1st got to TV Land. The ambassadors descended on me as if I were a Terrorist intent on exterminating a golfer (I guess that is illegal). I went back and looked to see if there was a LARGE sign saying no bicycles. That was many years ago so they may have put up one since?

[Jeanne wilson]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Your "balanced perspective" only slammed golf cart drivers... Just sayin'...

I have never had a bike rider bring on fear, only golf cart drivers here in TV . To pass and not give a 3-foot clearance is against the law. The fact is on a street if a biker feels the need to use the entire lane he can, and that's a law. Cars and golf cart drivers have no idea about bike safety unless they are a seasoned bike rider. I was hit head-on by a car that came off the road at 50 miles per hour. Seven operations and one more fusion to be done this summer and I still bike. Some people like golf, I love biking! So get the hell away from ME!!!!

[Mrprez]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I found out about that the hard way when I 1st got to TV Land. The ambassadors descended on me as if I were a Terrorist intent on exterminating a golfer (I guess that is illegal). I went back and looked to see if there was a LARGE sign saying no bicycles. That was many years ago so they may have put up one since?

The courses down here have a sign restricting the golf cart path to golf traffic only.

[nevjudbaker]

Originally Posted by Chellybean

Why is it that People driving a golf cart on a golf cart path think they can run bicyclist off the path and swear at them?
I almost seen two carts hit bicyclist today. What are these peoples problem and why do they think they rule the golf cart paths?
Is this entitlement or just complete AHOLES ?
Lets see how much trouble this post causes?

I think it is much more dangerous driving on a cart path than it is on the roads. Bottom line is everyone who is not considerate of others are at fault. Driving too fast, walkers not facing traffic & not staying to one side & bikers not following rules all at fault. These paths are not for race cars. Slow down at curves especially entering a tunnel & exiting a tunnel. If you stop pull off of the path. It all comes down to be respectful of others & follow the rules. Not hard at all but unfortunately we have to deal with those who think they are better than most & think acting like a jerk is their right. I would apologize many times & say it won’t happen again. Instead of acting like a jerk back at them. Kill them with kindness & they will feel like the jerk they are & just may think about their actions.

[VApeople]

Originally Posted by cj1040

As members of the Sumter Bike Club we are told to "own the path" so we don't get run off into the edge of the pavement where tires can get caught causing an accident. Golf cars in a hurry can go into the grass and pass without safety worries like this.

That is true, golf carts in a hurry 'can' cut go into the grass.

They 'can' also run you down.

We love to ride our bikes but NEVER ride on an MMP.

By the way, bikers, when your blood is all over an MMP, does that mean you "own the path"?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by toeser

Under the laws of virtually every state in the nation, including Florida, ebikes are to be considered bicycles in almost every situation. Many places do limit speeds for ebikes, generally 20 mph.

Right, when one passed my in my golf cart going up hill 25 plus mph and not peddling.

[jleighton]

Thank you to Dave.