[Bogie Shooter]

Wasn’t this covered in detail on 2 plus previous threads??

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Wasn’t this covered in detail on 2 plus previous threads??

Yes, but never really came to a consensus. Don't worry, we'll keep argu, I mean, discussing it for as loooooong as it takes.
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[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Wasn’t this covered in detail on 2 plus previous threads??

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Yes, but never really came to a consensus. Don't worry, we'll keep argu, I mean, discussing it for as loooooong as it takes.
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Furthermore dog poop stinks.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

It isn't about rights, it's about respect and courtesy. Knowingly impeding others is not very courteous or respectful even if it is your right to do so.

Originally Posted by Toymeister

How, exactly, can a trike give anyone room to pass without a cart entering the other lane? This is what this thread is about, although the same concept applies to two wheeled bicycles


They can't. It is a physical impossibly.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Could they pull off the path for a minute to let the backed up carts go by???

Exactly this!

I'm sure I'm not the only one who will step aside or move over to let a line of others pass. Simple courtesy.

Choose one:
A. I have a right to be here and I will ride as fast or slow as I want. I pay the same taxes and amenity fees as anyone else. All those behind me can just suck it up!

B. Why should I hold up all those behind me? Pulling off for one minute won't hurt me, will help them, and maybe next time someone will do the same for me.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Exactly this!

I'm sure I'm not the only one who will step aside or move over to let a line of others pass. Simple courtesy.

Choose one:
A. I have a right to be here and I will ride as fast or slow as I want. I pay the same taxes and amenity fees as anyone else. All those behind me can just suck it up!

B. Why should I hold up all those behind me? Pulling off for one minute won't hurt me, will help them, and maybe next time someone will do the same for me.

Bill, I'll take "B" for 100 brownie points.
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[BigSteph]

Even when I am in a cart and another cart quickly approaches, I often pull over and let the speedsters go.

I pull over because I like to drive in the beautiful environs and take in the scenery as I drive.

If the two bicyclist with 3 wheels each are side by side, I suspect they are pushing the width limit of their lane. I could see that actually being a hazard to the carts in the oncoming lane. It only takes a slight wobble to go over the imaginary line.

To me, whatever the conveyance (walking, biking, carting, somersaulting, etc.), if you are taking a leisurely stride and others are approaching from the rear and stacking up, you could simply let them pass -- stress be gone, go leisure again after they pass.

Like this person said, there is always the other side of tolerance that makes you angry that sphincters run up on you like they own the road. And this is true, but these same fine folks do it on the highways, Publix and Walmart aisles and elsewhere. If you get made every time, you'll be made all the time. Don't be mad all the time. Life is shorter when you get to The Villages.

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Exactly this!

I'm sure I'm not the only one who will step aside or move over to let a line of others pass. Simple courtesy.

Choose one:
A. I have a right to be here and I will ride as fast or slow as I want. I pay the same taxes and amenity fees as anyone else. All those behind me can just suck it up!

B. Why should I hold up all those behind me? Pulling off for one minute won't hurt me, will help them, and maybe next time someone will do the same for me.

[Bilyclub]

They were really pushing the 4 wheel bicycles at the Everglades Outdoors Event Friday.

[Toymeister]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Could they pull off the path for a minute to let the backed up carts go by???

In this thread, if we are to believe the OP. Two trikes caused a road jam that covered a distance of over two miles. That's the distance from the round about at Water lilly to the Brownwood bridge. Further, these trikes maintained a speed of 5mph (trikes can easily hit 20mpg downhill).

None of this is true, obviously. Despite, this the OP asks us to believe the trikes were rude or discourteous.

Why would anyone believe the first two statements, demonstratively false while believing the third?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Toymeister

In this thread, if we are to believe the OP. Two trikes caused a road jam that covered a distance of over two miles. That's the distance from the round about at Water lilly to the Brownwood bridge. Further, these trikes maintained a speed of 5mph (trikes can easily hit 20mpg downhill).

None of this is true, obviously. Despite, this the OP asks us to believe the trikes were rude or discourteous.

Why would anyone believe the first two statements, demonstratively false while believing the third?

I would say that in many posted scenarios where pictures are not added for support, certain "facts" are often exaggerated. However, there is still a principal to the tale. Here the principal is courtesy. Carts should not try to "push" or intimidate bikes or walkers. In return, walkers and bikers should be aware of things approaching from behind so that, when it is safe and reasonable to do so, move aside so the carts can safely get by. If both parties play nice they will both be happy. If either party does not act with courtes, then both parties will complain here.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Exactly this!

I'm sure I'm not the only one who will step aside or move over to let a line of others pass. Simple courtesy.

Choose one:
A. I have a right to be here and I will ride as fast or slow as I want. I pay the same taxes and amenity fees as anyone else. All those behind me can just suck it up!

B. Why should I hold up all those behind me? Pulling off for one minute won't hurt me, will help them, and maybe next time someone will do the same for me.

Best post of this thread. I would wish that the militant cyclists read it about 100 times over and over. (Of course, they won't---it might interfere with "their rights")

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Toymeister

In this thread, if we are to believe the OP. Two trikes caused a road jam that covered a distance of over two miles. That's the distance from the round about at Water lilly to the Brownwood bridge. Further, these trikes maintained a speed of 5mph (trikes can easily hit 20mpg downhill).

None of this is true, obviously. Despite, this the OP asks us to believe the trikes were rude or discourteous.

Why would anyone believe the first two statements, demonstratively false while believing the third?

I believe you misread the post. The road jam did not extend two miles in length (about 400 carts), the road jam existed for 25 minutes while covering two miles of distance and growing to 40 carts.

Two miles in 25 minutes would be about 5mph average. This seems slow, but.... While a trike might reach 20mph going downhill, it would not be going nearly that fast if it had to make a 90 degree turn at the bottom to go into a tunnel. It also would not go that fast riding up the hill out of the tunnel on the other side. There are several stop signs along that route which would further affect the average speed.

It isn't obvious to me that "none of this is true." There may have been some exaggeration (imagine that!) but the situation seems plausible.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Toymeister

Bicycles have every right to be on the MMPs.

The reason that there was a backup was because the first cart determined that there was not enough room to perform a safe pass of the cyclists.

If that bothers you or slows you down then get your keys, open your garage, and drive your automobile.

Your privilege of operating a cart on the MMP ends exactly where the cyclist's begins. Your privilege is not greater than anyone else's in The Villages.

That’s not sharing the MMP it’s hogging it.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Toymeister

In this thread, if we are to believe the OP. Two trikes caused a road jam that covered a distance of over two miles. That's the distance from the round about at Water lilly to the Brownwood bridge. Further, these trikes maintained a speed of 5mph (trikes can easily hit 20mpg downhill).

None of this is true, obviously. Despite, this the OP asks us to believe the trikes were rude or discourteous.

Why would anyone believe the first two statements, demonstratively false while believing the third?

Was you there? If not why should I believe you?

[Toymeister]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I believe you misread the post. The road jam did not extend two miles in length (about 400 carts), the road jam existed for 25 minutes while covering two miles of distance and growing to 40 carts.

Two miles in 25 minutes would be about 5mph average. This seems slow, but.... While a trike might reach 20mph going downhill, it would not be going nearly that fast if it had to make a 90 degree turn at the bottom to go into a tunnel. It also would not go that fast riding up the hill out of the tunnel on the other side. There are several stop signs along that route which would further affect the average speed.

It isn't obvious to me that "none of this is true." There may have been some exaggeration (imagine that!) but the situation seems plausible.

Here's the difference between you and I on this matter. I've put over 1500 miles on a trike (I know how they perform) and I travel this section on the MMP eight or more times a week on a two wheeled bicycle.

I can assure you that they didn't operate at 5mph. That just is not true. It's just not comfortable to ride at that speed

Unlike the multi modal path in your neighborhood of Hillsborough, there are zero homes where he is talking about. No cars crossing at village entrances, zero carts entering the MMP, carts exiting the MMP= nada.

There are just long and very long straight sections with hi visablity to pass, no vegetation. It's easy for six to eight carts to pass. There are several of these sections. The OP has gone beyond stretching the truth, instead writing a fictional post about something that didn't happen.

The only possibility under any circumstances is there was a tremendous amount of oncoming traffic which made it unsafe to pass. If that is the case, which I doubt, then it was unsafe to pass. It is not any cyclist, slower moving cart, loaded four passenger carts, or anything that is legally operating on the MMP, that is not traveling at the speed the OP wants to travel at, problem or obligation to pull off the path for anyone to pass. This is exactly the same as allowing an irrational driver to pass me in a bumper to bumper traffic jam.

[brianherlihy]

well i just got in the road and passed them all and went back on the path. we all can go in the road