[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

No, NOT well said. The cyclist's privileges do not exceed anyone else's either.

Do you really think 2 trikes going 5 mph have the right to effectively shut down an entire MMP?

Hmm. My understanding of toymiesters post was actually that no-one has a superior or inferior right to the MMP. Walkers, bikes/trikes, carts are equal on the MMP.

I don't believe for a moment that the entire MMP was shut down. However, a backup occurred and the culprit was a couple of trikes. Unless they were electric, they were peddling and perhaps not aware of the size of they backup. A friendly tap on the horn might have alerted them to let the carts pass. Or they might have been jerks and given the "finger" in reply. Either way, they're pedding while the cart riders are rlaxing on a comfy cushioned seat for a few extra minutes.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Hmm. My understanding of toymiesters post was actually that no-one has a superior or inferior right to the MMP. Walkers, bikes/trikes, carts are equal on the MMP.

I don't believe for a moment that the entire MMP was shut down. However, a backup occurred and the culprit was a couple of trikes. Unless they were electric, they were peddling and perhaps not aware of the size of they backup. A friendly tap on the horn might have alerted them to let the carts pass. Or they might have been jerks and given the "finger" in reply. Either way, they're pedding while the cart riders are rlaxing on a comfy cushioned seat for a few extra minutes.

Any reason to believe the OP is a liar?????
I find it hard to believe only because I've never seen it, but with Strawberry Festival at Brownwood, I can't dismiss it either. But it doesn't matter---the point is that the MMP is a SHARED path/road. That means cart drivers have no right to run cyclists off the road or endanger them. Likewise, it means that, when safe, slower "traffic" should allow faster traffic to pass. It does NOT mean that trikes can block everyone else because they "have the right" to be there.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Any reason to believe the OP is a liar?????
I find it hard to believe only because I've never seen it, but with Strawberry Festival at Brownwood, I can't dismiss it either. But it doesn't matter---the point is that the MMP is a SHARED path/road. That means cart drivers have no right to run cyclists off the road or endanger them. Likewise, it means that, when safe, slower "traffic" should allow faster traffic to pass. It does NOT mean that trikes can block everyone else because they "have the right" to be there.

Pretty much this. I went to the Strawberry Festival. I ended up parking on the grass to the side of the MMP because the line just to GET to the parking lot was ridiculous. So I pulled off to the embankment and walked from there. Along with over 30 other golf carts who all had the same idea.

I passed a couple of bike riders who kept to the right as safely as they could. I was also tail-gated by someone with a tweaked golf cart that wanted to go faster than my 20.3mph cart (and the regulations) allowed. I was going as fast as I could, and I was *technically* going faster than the regulations allowed. So no - I wasn't going to pull over and let that golf cart pass me. With my luck, he'd pass me, then swerve to avoid a cyclist and cause an accident and I'd be stuck behind his stopped overturned golf cart for an hour. Folks like that can just wait. I won't be obnoxious and slow down (speed police), but I won't bend over backward to accommodate him either.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Pretty much this. I went to the Strawberry Festival. I ended up parking on the grass to the side of the MMP because the line just to GET to the parking lot was ridiculous. So I pulled off to the embankment and walked from there. Along with over 30 other golf carts who all had the same idea.

I passed a couple of bike riders who kept to the right as safely as they could. I was also tail-gated by someone with a tweaked golf cart that wanted to go faster than my 20.3mph cart (and the regulations) allowed. I was going as fast as I could, and I was *technically* going faster than the regulations allowed. So no - I wasn't going to pull over and let that golf cart pass me. With my luck, he'd pass me, then swerve to avoid a cyclist and cause an accident and I'd be stuck behind his stopped overturned golf cart for an hour. Folks like that can just wait. I won't be obnoxious and slow down (speed police), but I won't bend over backward to accommodate him either.

Totally agree. But I don't think that was what the OP was stating.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Totally agree. But I don't think that was what the OP was stating.

This is the part of the OP's post that concerns me most:

Two, 3 wheeled bicyclist spaced just far enough apart, had traffic blocked all the way from the rotary off of the Waterlily bridge all the way to Brownwood parking lot.

Two 3-wheeled bikes riding beside each other will absolutely block the entire side of the MMP they're traveling in. If they were going under 15mph (and the OP claims it was 5mph, but I doubt it would've been THAT slow), then they should've pulled over once in awhile to let a group of golf carts pass. Sharing goes both ways. The bikes need to share with golf carts AND be respectful of the speed limit on the MMP.

Golf carts also need to share with bikes and be respectful of that speed limit. They don't have the "right" to go over 19.8mph, even on an actual road with a 25mph posted speed limit. The fastest a non-LSV golf cart is legally allowed to go is 19.8. On some MMPs and roads the speed limit is reduced to 15, and in some spots it can be as low as 10. Most people don't even pay attention to the 15mph sign on Paradise Avenue just before you get to the fire department from the Boone Gate, or on the other side after the Wales Gate at the church. And most people totally ignore the 10mph sign as you enter the area at Paige Place where the La Hacienda motel is, and the Hacienda rec center and sports pool on either side of the road.

When you TRY to obey the signs, you're often given dirty looks, or eye-rolls, or tail-gating experiences, or (on rare occasions) a horn honk.

If I'm going slower than the speed limit, I recognize, respect, and appreciate your right to pass me at the speed limit. But if I'm going the speed limit, you don't have that right. So just get behind me and be patient - and next time, leave 5 minutes earlier.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

This is the part of the OP's post that concerns me most:



Two 3-wheeled bikes riding beside each other will absolutely block the entire side of the MMP they're traveling in. If they were going under 15mph (and the OP claims it was 5mph, but I doubt it would've been THAT slow), then they should've pulled over once in awhile to let a group of golf carts pass. Sharing goes both ways. The bikes need to share with golf carts AND be respectful of the speed limit on the MMP.

Golf carts also need to share with bikes and be respectful of that speed limit. They don't have the "right" to go over 19.8mph, even on an actual road with a 25mph posted speed limit. The fastest a non-LSV golf cart is legally allowed to go is 19.8. On some MMPs and roads the speed limit is reduced to 15, and in some spots it can be as low as 10. Most people don't even pay attention to the 15mph sign on Paradise Avenue just before you get to the fire department from the Boone Gate, or on the other side after the Wales Gate at the church. And most people totally ignore the 10mph sign as you enter the area at Paige Place where the La Hacienda motel is, and the Hacienda rec center and sports pool on either side of the road.

When you TRY to obey the signs, you're often given dirty looks, or eye-rolls, or tail-gating experiences, or (on rare occasions) a horn honk.

If I'm going slower than the speed limit, I recognize, respect, and appreciate your right to pass me at the speed limit. But if I'm going the speed limit, you don't have that right. So just get behind me and be patient - and next time, leave 5 minutes earlier.

Again, totally agree

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

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Golf carts also need to share with bikes and be respectful of that speed limit. They don't have the "right" to go over 19.8mph, even on an actual road with a 25mph posted speed limit. The fastest a non-LSV golf cart is legally allowed to go is 19.8. On some MMPs and roads the speed limit is reduced to 15, and in some spots it can be as low as 10. Most people don't even pay attention to the 15mph sign on Paradise Avenue just before you get to the fire department from the Boone Gate, or on the other side after the Wales Gate at the church. And most people totally ignore the 10mph sign as you enter the area at Paige Place where the La Hacienda motel is, and the Hacienda rec center and sports pool on either side of the road.

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Just out of curiosity, where did you get that 19.8mph number? Florida Statute 320.01(22) states:

“Golf cart” means a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.

I would read that as saying the golf cart is legally allowed to go 20mph.

Maybe there is another Statute?

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Just out of curiosity, where did you get that 19.8mph number? Florida Statute 320.01(22) states:

“Golf cart” means a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.

I would read that as saying the golf cart is legally allowed to go 20mph.

Maybe there is another Statute?

Where the person got that, is many cart dealers use 19.8 as upper speed limit, when they program the controllers on Electric Carts ... figuring that gives a sufficient margin of error, so customers don't get tickets and blame them.

It's another example of posters using anecdotal information from a dubious source, like it was chiseled on the stone tablets Moses brought down from the mountain. Everyone wants to sound like an expert, who knows more than everyone else.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Really? Where in the entire thread did anyone mention golfers? The dozens of carts I saw at Brownwood were not there for golfing. The 25 carts I sat behind trying to get into Hillsborough were not there for golfing. My cart has never carried a golf bag or driven on a golf course and I would be surprised if the same wasn't true for 50% of the carts in the Villages. While there is definitely a sense of entitlement running through this thread, the thread is not about golfers at all.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Where the person got that, is many cart dealers use 19.8 as upper speed limit, when they program the controllers on Electric Carts ... figuring that gives a sufficient margin of error, so customers don't get tickets and blame them.

It's another example of posters using anecdotal information from a dubious source, like it was chiseled on the stone tablets Moses brought down from the mountain. Everyone wants to sound like an expert, who knows more than everyone else.

It was on one of the tablet Moses dropped...

https://youtu.be/FWSN6xYz8XQ

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by La lamy

Bikes are not the only vehicles doing that. I often see cars even go through red lights!!! Yikes

Down here we can turn right on red if safety to do so, unless otherwise posted (no right turn on red).

[clwahlstrom]

Reminds me of the San Francisco traffic when they have a bicycle day. It backs up the traffic through that city for hours. Sorry, but we start to get attitudes against cycles…And sometimes for good reason

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

It was on one of the tablet Moses dropped...

https://youtu.be/FWSN6xYz8XQ

Or when Moses squash the golden calf when he threw the tables at golden calf.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YETnMqtlyI

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Just out of curiosity, where did you get that 19.8mph number? Florida Statute 320.01(22) states:

“Golf cart” means a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.

I would read that as saying the golf cart is legally allowed to go 20mph.

Maybe there is another Statute?

Cause radar guns have calibration limit usually plus or minis 1 or less now days. That’s why you will never get ticket going 1 MPH over the speed limit. It won’t hold up in court.

[Michread]

If you are in a rush, take your car. It’s that simple!

Do you see golf carts sharing the road with other golf cars? Nope.

Bicycles should not share the road with carts. It’s too dangerous for the biker.