[blueeagle65]

I also support NO year round passes! :cop:

[barb1191]

Had no idea Guest Pass rules were so convoluted!!

Need to simplify the situation:

No in-area yearly passes.

No charge for passes.

Passes issued to VISITORS only (whether they be family or friends). Issued just for the length of visit.

IMPROVE MONITORING!!!!!!

The amount of passes issued in a month is staggering, as noted in Tal's reference above!!
The only way to resolve the issue is to simplify and implement with effective monitoring.

Analogy: You live in a private residence and have a pool on site. Would you issue guest and/or family passes for an open invitation to your property??? Think NOT. Well, this is our turf here in TV, we pay for it and welcome guests to our turf, however, discretely and not open house and/or continually. Visitation passes ONLY, accompanied by a resident.

[Happy Villager]

Originally Posted by barb1191

Had no idea Guest Pass rules were so convoluted!!

Need to simplify the situation:

No in-area yearly passes.

No charge for passes.

Passes issued to VISITORS only (whether they be family or friends). Issued just for the length of visit.

IMPROVE MONITORING!!!!!!

The amount of passes issued in a month is staggering, as noted in Tal's reference above!!
The only way to resolve the issue is to simplify and implement with effective monitoring.

Analogy: You live in a private residence and have a pool on site. Would you issue guest and/or family passes for an open invitation to your property??? Think NOT. Well, this is our turf here in TV, we pay for it and welcome guests to our turf, however, discretely and not open house and/or continually. Visitation passes ONLY, accompanied by a resident.

Barb1191, you are a voice of reason and I agree with you. I would like to add the guest/family pass should be limited to the 30 days per year. This limit is what we were told when we purchased in 2005. The Villages is our home and we pay for the privilege to use the amenities. I for one do not want to hear of suggesting outsiders pay and then get to use our amenities. Hey if people want to visit their families there is nothing stopping them from visiting them at the other's home. They just want to come to our adult disneyland. Well guess what this isn't a tourist attraction but our home bought and paid for after year's of working for it.

It is getting to the point where The Villages is just another city only we're the suckers paying the bill.

[BETHPAGE BLACK]

I own a home in TV but live in NY..I spend total of 6 weeks in TV and do not rent my home. I pay for ammenities that I barely use.
I would gladly pay a yearly fee for my tri-state grandchildren (and I have them in Marion County) as I think this is fair..However when I do reside there permanently I do not plan on having my grandchildren "visiting" everyday as I do have a life!
I think it is so unfair for all these non residents to use our pools and golf courses and gof cart paths while we are paying for it all.
TV has many people like myself as well as a tremendous amount of "snow birds" who pay and pay and hardly get to use the ammenities.
We are definately in trouble here...Laura

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by barb1191

Had no idea Guest Pass rules were so convoluted!!
Need to simplify the situation:
Passes issued to VISITORS only (whether they be family or friends). Issued just for the length of visit. IMPROVE MONITORING!!!!!!

Barb, I totally agree. TV clearly needs to simplify the system and improve monitoring. Sounds like it is currently very poorly controlled.

Originally Posted by zxlbb

I own a home in TV but live in NY..I spend total of 6 weeks in TV and do not rent my home. I pay for ammenities that I barely use.
I think it is so unfair for all these non residents to use our pools and golf courses and gof cart paths while we are paying for it all.
TV has many people like myself as well as a tremendous amount of "snow birds" who pay and pay and hardly get to use the ammenities.
We are definately in trouble here...Laura

Laura, I am also a snow bird and live in The Villages for six months a year. I pay for amenities twelve months a year. I understood this when we bought and don't mind at all.

But I do believe amenities should be for the use of residents only and short-term visitors.

[The Great Fumar]

Remember what we were told when we purchased a home here ???? The Amenities Fees were to maintain the facilities here for our recreation , and visitor passes are for short term visits from family and friends and they are to be escorted...Visits can to be accumulated of up to 30 days a calendar year.......If this doesn't suit your needs then you shouldn't have bought here...
Even little screaming kids should be monitored as they disturb the surrounding homes........
NO EXCEPTIONS

End of story................ IF OUTSIDERS WANT TO PLAY HERE ,LET THEM BUY A HOUSE

[loucard]

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A few of the most important reasons for moving to the villages for me is, or maybe was, that I would not be bothered with Screaming Kids and teenagers. After reading this string of comments, I am going to reconsider. I already have several friends in The Villages, so I should look at buying a like home for less money outside the gate and use one of the catch 22 rules to use the facilities on site for free. I would like to see the rules, bylaws etc. on these issues before buying now. I will contact my realtor for some help with this issue. And by the way, I have grandchildren that I will travel any distance to see and be around, but I will not bring them to the villages to bother folks next door. So before you bend rules, consider the many that buy in the villages because of the rules. Sorry if I have offended anyone, but thats my opinion on this issue

[Cassie325]

This is really getting out of control! LEt's sit back for a minute and think about some common sense information about TV's.

EVERYONE knows that there are children visiting here on a regular basis. If you bought here because you did not want to be around kids and teenagers....well then I think you are mis informed. Children are always here. They are perhaps not living in your back yard every day...but chances are there could be some in your backyard/at a neighbors/down the street/across the road at least 30 days out of every year.

You should also be aware that there is a WHOLE school system here...where children...and teenagers....go to school! Yes here in TV's....but that just means they live nearby and their parents work here. But there are children! Some of them even live in the family villages....GASP.....they even have golf cart access!!!

You should also know that out of the 30 + pools there are here....only a small amount of them are designated as "family pools". So if you do not want children around you when at a pool.....don't go to a family pool. There are many others to choose from.

I think that this thread was started because someone was upset about Bison Valley residents who had grandparents in "TV" were able to utilize the pools and amenities...well that is true with their "annual pass" they are allowed to....but grandma or grandpa MUST be with them. They can not just go at anytime, to anywhere, they want. The resident host must be with them. Atleast you know if there are screaming kids then their is a Villager sitting there allowing it to happen! The guest host can't just be a friend or an aunt....it has to be a grandparent or parent that is the Villages Resident. There are strict rules about this! I actually saw a 14 year old girl told to leave one of the pools as she didn't have her grandparent with her!!! This happened at HH pool last winter! She came back with grandpa!

A regular guest pass....allows someone to go visit anywhere in the villages without their host with them...so families with screaming kids can go off to a family pool all by themselves and make all the noise they want with out the supervision of their resident host.


I am not sure what everyone is really getting all upset about. This has been going on for a long time. You can't just get an annual pass for anyone....it must be a certain kind of relative and you must be with them when they use it.....how many villagers do you know that even have time to spend with their grandkids or kids everyday!!! It is just a convenience for them so they do not have to order a pass every other weekend just to swim with the grandkids for a few hours!!!!

As far as outsiders coming in.......They are all over the place!!! Has anyone been to the squares on the weekends? Has anyone seen the other 55+ communities coming by golf cart into TV's.....do you think that everyone that shops at Walmart or target lives in TV's...no! there are many people that live both inside and out....that use many of the village amenities....this is not a NEW issue...

[Russ_Boston]

It sounds to this outsider that Maria is more of the voice of reason. TV has pools for adults and pools for children guests. We alternatively complain that there aren't enough people around to support the restaurants etc. and then we complain that there are too many people around.

I understand the take that it is the monthly fees that provide this but what is the alternative? No access for anyone? Only 30 days for everyone? Maybe just more monitoring to make sure the current rules are abided by. "If it isn't broke, don't fix it!"

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by mariab

As far as outsiders coming in.......They are all over the place!!! Has anyone been to the squares on the weekends? Has anyone seen the other 55+ communities coming by golf cart into TV's.....do you think that everyone that shops at Walmart or target lives in TV's...no! there are many people that live both inside and out....that use many of the village amenities....this is not a NEW issue...

Maria: The Town Squares, the movie theatres, Southern Trace Plaza, Walmart, all of the restaurants except for Katie Belles, are ALL open to the public! No-one disputes that. They are not supported by our amenities fees. They were never intended to be for use of Villagers only.

I believe this thread is about outsiders using Village amenitites for free such as pools and golf courses, which are supported by the amenities fees that Villages residents pay!

[redwitch]

I totally agree with Mariab. So what if local family members get annual passes. Only those under 19 are limited to 30-day passes. Any other family member/friend who does not live in the Tri-Counties can visit as long as they want and they don't have to pay a fee every 30 days -- they get a guest pass good for the amount of their visit (1 day or 6 months). These guests are free to use the amenities without a resident in tow. Tri-County residents are truly limited in what amenities they can use, even if a family member. Those eligible to get a family member annual pass are restricted far more than other guests -- they have to have their resident host with them at all times.

People seem to be forgetting that the residents are paying for these amenities, for themselves and their guests. If you choose to have a visitor for 6 months, they will have a right to use our amenities at no cost to themselves other than the initial guest pass fee. Some of us will have few, if any, visitors. Some of us will have many. I know of one couple that have guests at least every weekend. It evens out in the long run and I believe that includes those locals who get annual passes (even the ones who do use our facilities on a daily basis).

My gripe is the fact that the rules are not well-enforced. Annual pass guests have been known to use the facilities without their resident host. People have been known to use the amenities without having their ids checked. This, to me, is where the problems occur. TV personnel should see that the rules are enforced. I think it would save a lot of grief and resentment.

[JohnN]

barb1191

keep it simple and enforce it,

visitor passes for length of stay only

[Cassie325]

Originally Posted by redwitch

I totally agree with Mariab. So what if local family members get annual passes. Only those under 19 are limited to 30-day passes. Any other family member/friend who does not live in the Tri-Counties can visit as long as they want and they don't have to pay a fee every 30 days -- they get a guest pass good for the amount of their visit (1 day or 6 months). These guests are free to use the amenities without a resident in tow. Tri-County residents are truly limited in what amenities they can use, even if a family member. Those eligible to get a family member annual pass are restricted far more than other guests -- they have to have their resident host with them at all times.

People seem to be forgetting that the residents are paying for these amenities, for themselves and their guests. If you choose to have a visitor for 6 months, they will have a right to use our amenities at no cost to themselves other than the initial guest pass fee. Some of us will have few, if any, visitors. Some of us will have many. I know of one couple that have guests at least every weekend. It evens out in the long run and I believe that includes those locals who get annual passes (even the ones who do use our facilities on a daily basis).

My gripe is the fact that the rules are not well-enforced. Annual pass guests have been known to use the facilities without their resident host. People have been known to use the amenities without having their ids checked. This, to me, is where the problems occur. TV personnel should see that the rules are enforced. I think it would save a lot of grief and resentment.

;D Ok only because I am so emotional and because I love to have the last word.....I say....


GO RED, GO RED, GO RED

[thegreenerside]

I think everyone is missing the point of Bison Valley and use of the amenities. The Villages has these family sections for what I would consider a specific reason. The people that live in these family sections more than likely have a work connection with The Villages whether it be a drywall contractor, the manager of the grocery store, the owner of your favorite ice cream parlor, or maybe a server at one of the restaraunts you all complain about.

I personally feel that The Villages needs more of these family sections to encourage more people to move to the area to serve you the Village residents. In exchange for these people serving your everyday needs they get to use your cart paths, pools, rec centers, etc.

After reading the post on this topic I felt as if I just read the POA Bulletin. You all have complained about poor service, and when The Villages tries to accommodate and bring in higher quality people you still complain. Get over it .

[Cassie325]

Originally Posted by thegreenerside

I think everyone is missing the point of Bison Valley and use of the amenities. The Villages has these family sections for what I would consider a specific reason. The people that live in these family sections more than likely have a work connection with The Villages whether it be a drywall contractor, the manager of the grocery store, the owner of your favorite ice cream parlor, or maybe a server at one of the restaraunts you all complain about.

I personally feel that The Villages needs more of these family sections to encourage more people to move to the area to serve you the Village residents. In exchange for these people serving your everyday needs they get to use your cart paths, pools, rec centers, etc.

After reading the post on this topic I felt as if I just read the POA Bulletin. You all have complained about poor service, and when The Villages tries to accommodate and bring in higher quality people you still complain. Get over it .

Nicely said green!