[irish2468]

As the winter season progresses and the Villages swells. Golf playing still dominates our activities.
My wife plays 3 times a week and I play 4 to 5 times a week.
But this season golf etiquette from players on all courses (Executive and Championship) is terrible.
Ball marks on the greens are rarely repaired by those who created them...some greens look like moon scape, so if you can tee your ball up you can bend over and repair your ball mark with a tee or ball mark repair tool..!!!!!!
Scuff marks from those dragging their feet on the greens.
Driving golf carts too close to the greens...what's up with that????
If you can't play the game with the dignity it deserves then don't PLAY

[JGVillages]

Been here 15 years and that’s nothing new.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by irish2468

As the winter season progresses and the Villages swells. Golf playing still dominates our activities.
My wife plays 3 times a week and I play 4 to 5 times a week.
But this season golf etiquette from players on all courses (Executive and Championship) is terrible.
Ball marks on the greens are rarely repaired by those who created them...some greens look like moon scape, so if you can tee your ball up you can bend over and repair your ball mark with a tee or ball mark repair tool..!!!!!!
Scuff marks from those dragging their feet on the greens.
Driving golf carts too close to the greens...what's up with that????
If you can't play the game with the dignity it deserves then don't PLAY

The pandemic has resulted in many people who rarely or never before played golf to take up the game. Golf is one of the few relatively safe outdoor activities that lends itself to easy social distancing. Unfortunately, the result is overcrowded courses and golfers who don't know the proper etiquette of the game. It is definitely an unfortunate consequence of Covid.

We need a term for it, i will throw out Covetiquette, but I am sure others can come up with a better one?

[eweissenbach]

In my eleven years in TV fixing ball marks, filling divots, and raking sand traps has always been a problem on Executive courses. I often fix six or more ball marks on a green.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

The pandemic has resulted in many people who rarely or never before played golf to take up the game. Golf is one of the few relatively safe outdoor activities that lends itself to easy social distancing. Unfortunately, the result is overcrowded courses and golfers who don't know the proper etiquette of the game. It is definitely an unfortunate consequence of Covid.

We need a term for it, i will throw out Covetiquette, but I am sure others can come up with a better one?

It's not just the pandemic. A lot of people who have never been on a golf course before decide to "try" golf when they get here. They often rent clubs or buy some cheap clubs at a yard sale and simply head to the golf course having no idea what they should and shouldn't be doing.

I believe that every resident should attend the Good Golf School before being allowed on the golf courses. The emphasis should be on etiquette and care of the course. Everyone should be given a ball mark repair tool at these sessions and taught how to use it properly.

I would add segment where potential players would have to demonstrate that they can make contact with the ball and move it forward about 50 yards.

I don't care if you're a rank beginner or a former tour player, this should not be that much of an inconvenience to be able to play our courses.

[John_W]

Originally Posted by npwalters

...There are no ambassadors required on the pickleball courts.

...and actually there is none required on TV golf courses since they provide really no service other than to help a broken down cart, call 911 if someone keels over, pick up broken tees, provide sand, provide water during normal times, both of which you can do for yourself.

If they really wanted to move the game along, today was a perfect example. I was in a foursome playing the Pensacola nine at Bonifay behind a threesome and it took us 2 hours and 20 minutes. Yes, that's right, a threesome made us wait about 5 minutes on every hole. They had two men and lady. It appeared to be a resident who was an average golfer and then a son and daughter in-law. The son hit from the black tees and played very well, but that is a little time consuming since everyone in the group hit from different tees. His wife he apparently was teaching and giving lessons throughout the round. When she hit the ball, for the most part it wasn't terrible. However, she took about 5 practice swings everytime, and then stood over the ball for a good 30 to 45 seconds before actually hitting the ball. She took as much time as the two men combined and then she took twice as many shots to get the green. I was a bit perturbed and fortunately they quit after nine holes. We passed an ambassador 3 or 4 times and he never said anything to us, and we never said anything to him.

I'm not pointing out any commenter or diagnosing any personality disorders. Everyone has a right to their opinion and how they want to behave. There's a saying that goes something like this "A reputation is something you have but never own".

People with antisocial personality disorder might display what the DSM-V refers to “callous behavior”, including a lack of guilt or remorse about their negative actions. They may be easily angered and easily insulted. They could be impulsive or act without regard to consequences. Studies have shown that narcissist are aware of their own narcissism and this might indicate that changing their behavior is possible. People with antisocial personality disorder are less likely to admit that their behavior is a problem.

Topics of people behaving badly are frequent on TOTV. A loud radio at the community pool will be justified by some as harmless even in the face of complaints stating otherwise. Go to a different pool if it bothers you or bring your own music are some comments. Dog owners allowing their pet to defecate on someone else’s lawn is ok since the issue hasn’t been resolved. Golf etiquette refers to a set of rules and practices designed to make the game of golf safer and more enjoyable for golfers and to minimize possible damage to golf equipment and courses. Some golfers would rather not repair their ball marks on the green, not rake the bunkers, talk while you’re playing your shot, hit multiple tee shots even when they have a ball in play, could care less if their group falls way behind the pace of play and play their music as loud as they want in their golf cart.

Are people that break the rules or don’t care that their behavior is considered negative going to change because someone brings up the topic on TOTV? It appears that more than a few don’t feel their actions are negative and so why would they change?

I’m not an expert or care to defend anything I say. If I'm wrong I have no problem admitting it. As facts come in I reserve the right to change my mind.

[dnobles]

IMO everyone who Golf’s should attend The Good Golf School.

[Ndomines]

YOU FORGOT TO MENTION
GOOD GOLF SCHOOL
It only takes an hour or so and is offered at the regional rec centers. IT SHOULD BE MANDATORY!

=irish2468;1878868]As the winter season progresses and the Villages swells. Golf playing still dominates our activities.
My wife plays 3 times a week and I play 4 to 5 times a week.
But this season golf etiquette from players on all courses (Executive and Championship) is terrible.
Ball marks on the greens are rarely repaired by those who created them...some greens look like moon scape, so if you can tee your ball up you can bend over and repair your ball mark with a tee or ball mark repair tool..!!!!!!
Scuff marks from those dragging their feet on the greens.
Driving golf carts too close to the greens...what's up with that????
If you can't play the game with the dignity it deserves then don't PLAY
[/QUOTE]

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Ndomines

YOU FORGOT TO MENTION
GOOD GOLF SCHOOL
It only takes an hour or so and is offered at the regional rec centers. IT SHOULD BE MANDATORY!

Absolutely an idiotic suggestion. Last thing I want after 50+ years of playing golf, many of them in competition, is someone with less golfing knowledge and skill, less familiar with the rules and etiquette wasting my time in a mandatory lecture. Save it for the inexperienced, and then when someone violates a rule of etiquette, give the ambassador the power to issue a "ticket", 3 tickets and good golf school is mandatory. BTW, do you know who holds the course record at Havana? (black tees, Hemingway to Kilimanjaro) ? Answer, Patrick Reed. Under your proposal he would have had to go to "good golf" school before he could play

[rwfisher1969]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

It's not just the pandemic. A lot of people who have never been on a golf course before decide to "try" golf when they get here. They often rent clubs or buy some cheap clubs at a yard sale and simply head to the golf course having no idea what they should and shouldn't be doing.

I believe that every resident should attend the Good Golf School before being allowed on the golf courses. The emphasis should be on etiquette and care of the course. Everyone should be given a ball mark repair tool at these sessions and taught how to use it properly.

I would add segment where potential players would have to demonstrate that they can make contact with the ball and move it forward about 50 yards.

I don't care if you're a rank beginner or a former tour player, this should not be that much of an inconvenience to be able to play our courses.

Excellent points!

[72eagleman]

Golf is not dying in the villages. A record 3.5mm rounds were played in the villages this year!

[rwfisher1969]

Originally Posted by Bikeracer2009

I'm not pointing out any commenter or diagnosing any personality disorders. Everyone has a right to their opinion and how they want to behave. There's a saying that goes something like this "A reputation is something you have but never own".

People with antisocial personality disorder might display what the DSM-V refers to “callous behavior”, including a lack of guilt or remorse about their negative actions. They may be easily angered and easily insulted. They could be impulsive or act without regard to consequences. Studies have shown that narcissist are aware of their own narcissism and this might indicate that changing their behavior is possible. People with antisocial personality disorder are less likely to admit that their behavior is a problem.

Topics of people behaving badly are frequent on TOTV. A loud radio at the community pool will be justified by some as harmless even in the face of complaints stating otherwise. Go to a different pool if it bothers you or bring your own music are some comments. Dog owners allowing their pet to defecate on someone else’s lawn is ok since the issue hasn’t been resolved. Golf etiquette refers to a set of rules and practices designed to make the game of golf safer and more enjoyable for golfers and to minimize possible damage to golf equipment and courses. Some golfers would rather not repair their ball marks on the green, not rake the bunkers, talk while you’re playing your shot, hit multiple tee shots even when they have a ball in play, could care less if their group falls way behind the pace of play and play their music as loud as they want in their golf cart.

Are people that break the rules or don’t care that their behavior is considered negative going to change because someone brings up the topic on TOTV? It appears that more than a few don’t feel their actions are negative and so why would they change?

I’m not an expert or care to defend anything I say. If I'm wrong I have no problem admitting it. As facts come in I reserve the right to change my mind.

Excellent point of view!

[John_W]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Absolutely an idiotic suggestion. Last thing I want after 50+ years of playing golf, many of them in competition, is someone with less golfing knowledge and skill, less familiar with the rules and etiquette wasting my time in a mandatory lecture. Save it for the inexperienced, and then when someone violates a rule of etiquette, give the ambassador the power to issue a "ticket", 3 tickets and good golf school is mandatory. BTW, do you know who holds the course record at Havana? (black tees, Hemingway to Kilimanjaro) ? Answer, Patrick Reed. Under your proposal he would have had to go to "good golf" school before he could play

I took the class in 2011 and started playing golf in St. Petersburg at age 12 in 1962, but enjoyed the class and it's more than an hour, it was 2-1/2 hours when I took it at Colony Cottage. Two things wrong with your assumption. The golf portion is taught by one of the country club pros. He only goes into local procedures as pertaining to local rules. I had no idea you're to leave the rake inside the trap with the head facing toward the middle. The golf teetime portion is taught by one of the administrators of the Villages Golf Administration. Basically two people who are well informed and are the ones you would seek for answers.

[Andyb]

Pretty much indicative of our society today. Not just happening with golf.