[NavyVet]

Originally Posted by Choro&Swing

Answer from a Facebook letter from a Nurse in Michigan:

“I am posting, for once, about something other than my dog.

I have seen 4 patients die, 5 get intubated, 2 re-intubated, witnessed family consent to make 2 more patients DNRs, sweat my butt off during CPR, titrated so many drips to no avail, watched vent settings increase to no avail. We are exhausted and at a total loss.

All of this in two shifts in a row.

Some of you people have never done EVERYTHING you could to save someone, and watched them die anyway, and it shows.

I would have no problem if you fools worried about your "freedom" all went out and got COVID. If only you could sign a form stating that you revoke your right to have medical treatment based on your cavalier antics and refusal to abide by CDC and medical professionals' advice. If you were the only people who got infected during your escapades to protest tyranny, great. But that's sadly not how this works.

You wanna complain because the garden aisle is closed? If you knew a thing about gardening, you'd know it's too early to plant in Michigan. Your garden doesn't matter. If killing your plants would bring back my patients, I would pillage the **** out of your "essential" garden beds.

Upset because you can't go boating...in Michigan...in April...in the cold-ass water? You wanna tell my patient's daughter (who was sobbing as she said goodbye to her father over the phone) about your first-world problems?

Upset because you can't go to your cottage up north? Your cottage...your second property...used for leisure. My coworkers can't even stay in their regular homes. Most have been staying in hotels and dorms, not able to see their spouses or babies.

All of these posts, petitions online to evade "tyranny", it's all such bull****. I'm sorry you're bored and have nothing to do but bitch and moan. You wanna pick up a couple hours for me? Yeah, didn't think so. I wouldn't trust most of you with patient care, anyway. Not just because of the selfish lack of humanity your posts exude, but because most of those posts and petitions are so riddled with misspellings and grammatical errors, that it makes me question your cognitive capacity.

Shoutout to my coworkers, the real MVPs.”

This! Yes, yes, yes, to all of it. First world problems indeed. Just don't understand the boo-hooing about not being able to play pickleball, etc or get drunk on the squares - a minor inconvenience at best - compared to what the rest of the WORLD is going through. Suck it up. All the people bitching about their civil liberties for having to follow rules for everyone's safety are just showing their unpatriotic selfishness. Maybe martial law would straighten out their priorities. They don't know what sacrifice is. Their attitudes are going to ruin it for the rest of us and we will end up winning the Darwin Award. It's embarrassing to even live here amongst them. All I can say is Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. SMH
To all the medical personnel, first responders, LEOs, military, etc: Thank you so much for your Service. You really are the heroes.

[Skunky1]

Agreed

[rmd2]

universal

Originally Posted by David Fletcher

Perhaps the real issue is not liberty or freedom, they are very different. The issue may be ”responsibility” and justice.

You can choose to act responsibly and above all remember the word is justice. Most think the word is just us.

If this does not wake up America to the need for universal health care then I don’t know what will.

If everybody has good universal health care ( single payer) the economy will be a lot stronger and everyone will win even the medical community.

Key word GOOD universal health care. No one on earth has GOOD universal health care. The reason we are a world leader in health care is competition and capitalism. Even in the UK which has a semi-universal health care system the wait for a biopsy can not days but many months.

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by NavyVet

This! Yes, yes, yes, to all of it. First world problems indeed. Just don't understand the boo-hooing about not being able to play pickleball, etc or get drunk on the squares - a minor inconvenience at best - compared to what the rest of the WORLD is going through. Suck it up. All the people bitching about their civil liberties for having to follow rules for everyone's safety are just showing their unpatriotic selfishness. Maybe martial law would straighten out their priorities. They don't know what sacrifice is. Their attitudes are going to ruin it for the rest of us and we will end up winning the Darwin Award. It's embarrassing to even live here amongst them. All I can say is Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. SMH
To all the medical personnel, first responders, LEOs, military, etc: Thank you so much for your Service. You really are the heroes.

Agree. We've all seen the crowds at the newly opened up beaches, and how people are completely disregarding social distancing, masks, etc. And that's why the states have to make you stay home. Stop yelling about "rights" and "freedoms". The dumbasses will always ruin it for the rest.

[DanBrew]

I'm sorry to say that "personal accountability and responsibility" appears to be a thing of the past. Journalism without opinion is as well, and it doesn't matter what network you are watching. Soon, the majority of the population will be looking to the almighty government to take care of their every need. So far it has only been want, but soon it will become need. Many in our society today don't understand the difference between the two. This has been an evolving reality since the 80's.

[RRman77 retired]

Wow!

[Bill1701]

Karma could be why the older are being hit harder by the virus.

[RRman77 retired]

Well written!

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by B767drvr

Interesting, and hitting upon an important point! Bravo.

One man's health (in today's world) is being balanced upon another man's economic well-being, and in some cases... lest we forget... his very SURVIVAL.

Did anyone miss the 4-mile auto backup for (FREE) food assistance in San Antonio.

I believe it's important to remember that a HUGE number or of US citizens are living pay check to pay check, and can't easily absorb 8+ weeks without income. For many, this goes incredibly far beyond an inconvenience.

What about the increased alcoholism / drug use / suicides caused by the shutdown? By your logic, their lives / health / well-being are less important than those who might get coronavirus.

Why is that?

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Caesar was a dictator, and was assassinated by his own Senators. His rise to power and subsequent assassination on the Ides of March triggered the fall of the Roman Empire.

Uh, no. It caused the Roman Empire. And "dictator" in the Roman Republic had a meaning different from our use of the word today.

[Aloha1]

Here's a data point being ignored by most:
The Stanford study recently concluded tested over 3,000 Santa Clara County, CA residents for ANTIBODIES. The test results pointed to a positive (had the Wuhan virus) result 50 to 85 times the CDC daily positive number. As of this morning, 4/20, the CDC count is 760,000 people have, at some point, tested positive. If the count is off 50 fold then the true positive count is at least 38 million. If off 85 fold then 64.6 million. Why is this important? Two reasons, first it means we may be approaching "herd" immunity without which we'll never get off this merry go round. Second, it means the true death percentage from positive cases may very well be .1% to .2% and not 5, 8 10, or what ever number you see in the media.

Why is the CDC not doing relative population testing across the country. Within a week, we would have enough data to extrapolate and corroborate these findings. Relative testing is something the CDC does all the time. Why not now?

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Here's a data point being ignored by most:
The Stanford study recently concluded tested over 3,000 Santa Clara County, CA residents for ANTIBODIES. The test results pointed to a positive (had the Wuhan virus) result 50 to 85 times the CDC daily positive number. As of this morning, 4/20, the CDC count is 760,000 people have, at some point, tested positive. If the count is off 50 fold then the true positive count is at least 38 million. If off 85 fold then 64.6 million. Why is this important? Two reasons, first it means we may be approaching "herd" immunity without which we'll never get off this merry go round. Second, it means the true death percentage from positive cases may very well be .1% to .2% and not 5, 8 10, or what ever number you see in the media.

Why is the CDC not doing relative population testing across the country. Within a week, we would have enough data to extrapolate and corroborate these findings. Relative testing is something the CDC does all the time. Why not now?

One "could" conclude (right or wrong), those that govern find value in fear factor retention.

[davem4616]

Originally Posted by Windguy

I think you asked the wrong question. The question should be: “Is it OK for my indifference, carelessness, or selfishness to endanger someone else?”

Do you think that stop signs infringe on your freedom and that it’s OK to run them? Isn’t running a stop sign and causing an accident that takes someone’s life similar to coughing and spraying someone with your C-19 germs? In the case of the stop sign, you could be charged with manslaughter. By trying to maintain your regular activities and ignoring the guidance to cover your face to stop your germs from being sprayed on others, your are being reckless and are endangering others’ lives. You might not be convicted of reckless endangerment, but if someone dies because of your selfishness you HAVE committed manslaughter and are just as guilty as someone who ignores stop signs.

I agree with you...

unfortunately the logic in what you're saying will go way over the heads of the very people that really need to stop, listen and get with the program

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by David Fletcher

Perhaps the real issue is not liberty or freedom, they are very different. The issue may be ”responsibility” and justice.

You can choose to act responsibly and above all remember the word is justice. Most think the word is just us.

If this does not wake up America to the need for universal health care then I don’t know what will.

If everybody has good universal health care ( single payer) the economy will be a lot stronger and everyone will win even the medical community.

How would universal health care have stopped this pandemic any sooner than the current system?????? How would it help the economy??? Let me help you out here, it wouldn't make any difference.

[davem4616]

Originally Posted by DanBrew

I'm sorry to say that "personal accountability and responsibility" appears to be a thing of the past. Journalism without opinion is as well, and it doesn't matter what network you are watching. Soon, the majority of the population will be looking to the almighty government to take care of their every need. So far it has only been want, but soon it will become need. Many in our society today don't understand the difference between the two. This has been an evolving reality since the 80's.

I agree with you...and let's throw in integrity. If you have integrity nothing else matters, if you don't have integrity nothing else matters

oh for the days of Huntley/Brinkley and Walter Cronkite....they reported the news...every journalist (and I use that term loosely) today wants to be come the next Woodward or Bernstein....

we have become a nation of selfish people that want everything for free....

I believe in helping others get up on their feet and stay there....but WAY to many people are 'gaming' the system and they want more free stuff...sadly it has become a way of life for too many

Now the country of Bermuda has a welfare system that seems to work....everyone that receives welfare has to have a job, doesn't matter how much you earn at the job, but you must have a job...Bermuda's system will then subsidize them so that they have enough money to live a respectable and secure lifestyle...which after all is how we'd hope everybody is able to live