[ttown]

Those of you suggesting a wall......remember what happened? Many more Villagers use that gate and want that gate. Please, just drop it.

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by rubicon

joanne: perhaps what you suggest is correct? However, how many Stonecrest residents are we talking about and what right do they have passing around their gate pass to non residents. If this is not a violation he ought to be . How are we harmed? That is the point because we don't know the depth and the breath of this issue.

Thank you - those were my thoughts exactly. How many people are we talking about? Less than 10 more than 100. Will they really make an impact on our seams that are already bursting???

As far as "if you like The Villages" move here maybe they only like to come to a movie or have dinner or shop and support the merchants, but don't want the rest of the lifestyle. If that is the case I am grateful they are bringing a cart and not a car cause there is no room on the roads and even less parking.

[tucson]

Originally Posted by justjim

Reasonable people can disagree. I don't see this as a problem. Nice residents from Stonecrest coming to TV spending their money----I don't care if they drive their cars or golf cart or fly in!

Since when did we become so high and mighty?

Love it! :-)

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by buggyone

The Paradise Gate should be staffed with Villager Volunteers in official looking logoed golf shirts to check on Villages ID cards of those coming through that gate. Since that is a private trail, treat it as private for Villagers only.

The non-Villagers who attempt to come through that gate could legally be denied access to our private cart trails and sent back from whence they came.

Any Village resident does not have legal authority to stop or ask for any sort of identification. They also do not have any legal authority to deny access. Doing so could end up with legal action taken against the person if they try to detain or stop entrance. Any physical contact could be looked at as assault.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Just like a ticket-taker at an amusement park checks for valid tickets and turns those away who are not properly ticketed. No one said anything about physically detaining a person.

The trail going through Paradise Gate is private property and if a person does not have a valid Villages or valid guest ID, they are trespassing.

That is the legal authority.

Apples and Oranges, not the same, not even close.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Steve. You live in Stonecrest, so you have your views.


This has all been discussed before and Peachie is a pretty good voice on this thread. I know her personally and know her to be intelligent and reasonable. She says it better than I can for sure.


Stonecrest still wants free use of The Villages

Well here are some facts. There are Villagers that have given cards to their friends so they can use the gates. Some have access cards because they own rental property in the Villages. Some have purchased Street Legal Carts and cross over without using any gate. Once across 441/27 you can go just about anywhere. If we have friends that want to go we just rent some carts and go riding around.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Some issues just ring true. Take for instance the belief that if player steps out of the batters box his average goes down.

Take for instance if you ignore one violator pretty soon 1 becomes 100, then 1000.

Take for instance that you must pay to play but Stonecrest people were told they had better homes, true gated community and use of The Villages Lifestyle without paying.

We are not yet at completely built out and based on the months of February/March 2014 crowding is becoming a real problem

So I think this is a very big deal and I so want the wall back up.

As for this we can all get along. I agree but I also agree that we would all get along better if you were not sticking a finger in my eye

The wall will not stop the carts because you just cross over 441/27 via several places.

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

Any Village resident does not have legal authority to stop or ask for any sort of identification. Thy also do not any legal authority to deny access. Doing so could end up with legal action taken against the person if they try to detain or stop entrance. Any physical contact could be looked at as assault.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Those little guys are cute.......

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by rubicon

joanne: perhaps what you suggest is correct? However, how many Stonecrest residents are we talking about and what right do they have passing around their gate pass to non residents. If this is not a violation he ought to be . How are we harmed? That is the point because we don't know the depth and the breath of this issue.

It's not a matter of how many. To me it is a matter of right is right, wrong is wrong. If you are not a TV resident, then it is wrong to use this gate. If you live outside TV you are welcome to come here by public access. I think if I were "sneaking" into a community, I would feel guilt. It is all a matter of principal. You can't be a little pregnant and you can't be a little wrong when doing something that you know is wrong. Coming into TV by means other than public access is wrong and those doing it know that it is wrong. One person, 100 people..that is not the point. We do not get to decide which rules we need to follow. I have nothing against Stone Crest residents. I doubt that using the gate harms me personally. I do know that the gate has a purpose and we do not get to decide if we like that purpose. Maybe I don't seem to feel the need to stop at a red light. Many don't. Maybe I don't think I need to pay income tax. Many don't. Maybe it's ok for me to throw my trash out of my car window. Many do. As you said, what's the harm? I just don't think we get to decide which rules we abide. Many talk on this forum about some having a sense of entitlement. To me this is just one more case of some feeling entitled to something that they are not. Where do you draw the line?

[Regor]

I never heard a word about all them nasty Stone Cresters till The Wall was built.

Let them come!!!

Tear down the gate!!!

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Regor

I never heard a word about all them nasty Stone Cresters till The Wall was built.

Let them come!!!

Tear down the gate!!!

The original gate never had card access either. It was just an arm that was broken more then repaired. It was just a loop sensing gate. You drove up it opened. The arm was broken for years. Then all of a sudden some one removed the entire mechanism. There was nothing for at least 2 years if not more. Then the wall, then the controversy, then the arguments, then the accusations, then the new card access gate. before the wall no one cared, no one complained. All were happy in the kingdom, Some one kicked the sleeping dog and he's been a grouch ever since.

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by Regor

I never heard a word about all them nasty Stone Cresters till The Wall was built.

Let them come!!!

Tear down the gate!!!

Do you live on the Historic side where they come across? Just curious.

[DaleMN]

I can see Stonecrest from my house.

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

It's not a matter of how many. To me it is a matter of right is right, wrong is wrong. If you are not a TV resident, then it is wrong to use this gate. If you live outside TV you are welcome to come here by public access. I think if I were "sneaking" into a community, I would feel guilt. It is all a matter of principal. You can't be a little pregnant and you can't be a little wrong when doing something that you know is wrong. Coming into TV by means other than public access is wrong and those doing it know that it is wrong. One person, 100 people..that is not the point. We do not get to decide which rules we need to follow. I have nothing against Stone Crest residents. I doubt that using the gate harms me personally. I do know that the gate has a purpose and we do not get to decide if we like that purpose. Maybe I don't seem to feel the need to stop at a red light. Many don't. Maybe I don't think I need to pay income tax. Many don't. Maybe it's ok for me to throw my trash out of my car window. Many do. As you said, what's the harm? I just don't think we get to decide which rules we abide. Many talk on this forum about some having a sense of entitlement. To me this is just one more case of some feeling entitled to something that they are not. Where do you draw the line?

You draw the line where you personally feel uncomfortable. Some of us just tolerate more stuff cause we don't see the reason for the rule - some of us can't believe someone would have the balls to jay-walk. That's what makes the world go round. We all have our own levels of tolerance and we see these exhibited day and in day out on TOTV. I just thank my lucky stars I live in a country where I am not thrown in jail for an infraction of some rule. God Bless America and the freedom we have to challenge the status quo and the choice to "not sweat the small stuff" if we choose not to.