[PennBF]

There is no thing as "never". One post recommended placing the Owner ID No. on the front and back of the cart. And a small "stick'em" would be a good way. I would agree it is going to be difficult to sell the idea of ID's as there are more loud ones who want to avoid consequences for bad behavior than ones who are willing to speak out and be held responsible for their behavior. I don't think it is necessary to point out some of the ones who don't want themselves to be identified as it is pretty self evident. Just watch the closing of the Squares in the evening or the porches on the restaurants and you get a real good idea of who do not want ID's. This is not rocket science.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by PennBF

One post recommended placing the Owner ID No. on the front and back of the cart. And a small "stick'em" would be a good way. I would agree it is going to be difficult to sell the idea of ID's as there are more loud ones who want to avoid consequences for bad behavior than ones who are willing to speak out and be held responsible for their behavior. I don't think it is necessary to point out some of the ones who don't want themselves to be identified as it is pretty self evident. Just watch the closing of the Squares in the evening or the porches on the restaurants and you get a real good idea of who do not want ID's. This is not rocket science.

Because a poster thinks that a small stick'em would be of no value in identifying miscreants, that doesn't mean the poster is a "loud one who wants to avoid consequences for bad behavior".

[PennBF]

Unfortunately it usually does mean the loud one wants to avoid consequences.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by PennBF

Unfortunately it usually does mean the loud one wants to avoid consequences.

You sound like a reasonably intelligent person, why are you having trouble getting the point? All we are saying is that a small sticker will achieve nothing. Period. So the real debate should be in regards to a cart ID large enough to be visible after some violation. That will boil down to the cost vs the benefit. Period. I don't see any reason to attribute motivation to any of the posters beyond that.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Because a poster thinks that a small stick'em would be of no value in identifying miscreants, that doesn't mean the poster is a "loud one who wants to avoid consequences for bad behavior".

Originally Posted by PennBF

Unfortunately it usually does mean the loud one wants to avoid consequences.

We have a different outlook on life.
I don't think that people who disagree with your opinion are necessarily "loud ones".
It can simply mean that posters feel that a small stick'em would be of little use in identifying speeders, underage drivers or other miscreants.

[DonH57]

Almost any time I've been passed by another cart doing whatever wrong, by the time I realize it in passing them I've forgotten a few details about the cart and they are long gone. You would have to have a really good size plate, sign, or sticker to do any good. A dash cam would only be of half decent way to catch miscreants and I already have enough stuff to buy.

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by PennBF

My Goodness. How people can complicate things. Lets make it simple and no different than what you have today. First: Everyone carries a village ID Card and Second: Each ID card has a number which is assigned when you become a resident. Third: I have not heard of anyone complaining this is a terrible buracratic invasion and destroyed their card with their ID. Fourth: When you go into a Rec center it is a general rule to ask to see your ID and I have not heard of anyone saying no and walking out. Fifth: Same applies to pools, etc. Now let get a little sane. You already have an ID and you show it where ever you go and I don't recall hearing anyone screaming no when asked. It would be a very cheap (probably in the pennies) thing to have that ID number which you are use to placed on a little stickem that could be applied to each windshield of a golf cart.
Hopefully this demonstrates it is already a common practice in The Villages and pretty useful. No licence plates, no setting up a big new set of files, no need for new control people, etc etc. Just give out a little "stick em" with a number you already have. I can't wait to hear how this is so terrible and an invasion when they already have it and follow the rules!

Sounds like carrying your Villages ID would solve the problem you have. Yes, we all have one. Yes, we show it at the rec centers and the pools. But I don't need a sticker on my billiards cue or my swimming speedo in order to access the amenities My ID card is all I need.

[Kannon451]

Originally Posted by PennBF

My Goodness. How people can complicate things. Lets make it simple and no different than what you have today. First: Everyone carries a village ID Card and Second: Each ID card has a number which is assigned when you become a resident. Third: I have not heard of anyone complaining this is a terrible buracratic invasion and destroyed their card with their ID. Fourth: When you go into a Rec center it is a general rule to ask to see your ID and I have not heard of anyone saying no and walking out. Fifth: Same applies to pools, etc. Now let get a little sane. You already have an ID and you show it where ever you go and I don't recall hearing anyone screaming no when asked. It would be a very cheap (probably in the pennies) thing to have that ID number which you are use to placed on a little stickem that could be applied to each windshield of a golf cart.
Hopefully this demonstrates it is already a common practice in The Villages and pretty useful. No licence plates, no setting up a big new set of files, no need for new control people, etc etc. Just give out a little "stick em" with a number you already have. I can't wait to hear how this is so terrible and an invasion when they already have it and follow the rules!

Just curious, assuming this was implemented. One day you observe a golf cart driver doing something warrenting you calling the police and then turn in. Would you provide the police with your name and address and be ok with the police providing that person with your name and address as evidence of their deed, or would you prefer to be anonymous?

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by PennBF

...When you go into a Rec center...Same applies to pools, etc...

I can't wait to hear how this is so terrible and an invasion when they already have it and follow the rules!...

Okay...name another private, personal possession (like a golf cart) where you have to show your ID to use it. Certainly not the rec centers or pools or any other shared Villages facility where the ID's are shown.

[tomwed]

Originally Posted by Kannon451

Just curious, assuming this was implemented. One day you observe a golf cart driver doing something warrenting you calling the police and then turn in. Would you provide the police with your name and address and be ok with the police providing that person with your name and address as evidence of their deed, or would you prefer to be anonymous?

I think I see what you mean.

[Sandtrap328]

Originally Posted by Kannon451

Just curious, assuming this was implemented. One day you observe a golf cart driver doing something warrenting you calling the police and then turn in. Would you provide the police with your name and address and be ok with the police providing that person with your name and address as evidence of their deed, or would you prefer to be anonymous?

I would logically assume that the informant would have to give their name to the police. Aren't citizens guaranteed the right to know their accuser?

Just being able to make accusations to the police and remain anonymous might lead to lots of false accusations just because someone had a grudge against another - (not that grudges ever happen in The Villages).

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

I would logically assume that the informant would have to give their name to the police. Aren't citizens guaranteed the right to know their accuser?



Just being able to make accusations to the police and remain anonymous might lead to lots of false accusations just because someone had a grudge against another - (not that grudges ever happen in The Villages).

The police already have a special process where one can anonymously report a crime or related information. It's called Crime Watchers. No ID information requested, none need be given.

[tomwed]

Originally Posted by dbussone

The police already have a special process where one can anonymously report a crime or related information. It's called Crime Watchers. No ID information requested, none need be given.

I googled this and couldn't find anything.
"Crime Watchers" florida police department sumter county"
Do you have link?

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by tomwed

I googled this and couldn't find anything.

"Crime Watchers" florida police department sumter county"

Do you have link?

It is Crime Stoppers (not Watchers) Tom. Sorry for the confusion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_Stoppers

[tomwed]

Originally Posted by dbussone

It is Crime Stoppers (not Watchers) Tom. Sorry for the confusion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_Stoppers

That's a great program but I get the sense it's mainly in place for serious crimes.