I don't know why they did that, Arctic Fox, I know they tried earlier to establish the gate and then Lady Lake got in the middle of it.

The only thing I determine in my own mind for the newest gate is that with much development blossoming in that area and businesses advertising as "golf cart accessible to The Villages" the Morse's realized the urgency to replace the gate for Villagers and close the gate to the public now.

Unfortunately, the two golf carts that come into The Villages from Stonecrest got caught up in this action. (I say two golf carts because many insist hardly anyone comes in through that path from Stonecrest and I know EdV has a street legal.)

My bill says VCDD on the top as does their letter head. If I'm not mistaken it stands for Villages Community Development District.

What does VCCDD stand for?

I now understand your message EdV. There are a lot of details and, of course, I don't want to divulge too many for the fear of identifying my friend.

My friend will never worry financially. I will only go to fast food restaurants with her now after watching her tip $1.00 for her meals; no matter the price or special requests she made, she does not use the medical facilities in that area, she is in The Villages almost daily and drives there in her car. Most of all, she should never drive across 27/441 in her golf cart but I know she would if access is provided to her and I don't think her husband would stop her.

So my friend is really being denied nothing and the people at Stonecrest will be much safer if she isn't driving her golf cart in their area.

Wow!! I'm famous.

Well here is the straight skinny on the Stonecrest vs Sruce Creek 441/27 crossing. There was some concern to the safety of the individuals that would be using the access road to get to Wal-Mart. The access road has some blind corners and people are not familiar with seeing Golf Carts on this road. There have been a number of fender benders on the road section that leads to the Stonecrest Gate and the crossing road. Cars coming off 441/27 into Stonecrest are a little speedy and may not be aware of the crossing traffic. A collision between an auto and a Golf Cart has the Auto winning every time. Some of the Stonecrest residents were also interested in getting access to the shopping on the West Side of 441/27 which would require access out of Spruce Creek's side gate. In turn Stonecrest would need to give them access to Stonecrest's direct Wal-Mart gates. The end result is Stonecrest approved Spruce Creek's usage of the access roads as far as I know. There are always people that complain no matter what happens. The bottom line is Stonecrest is very happy that Spruce Creek will be able to get to Wal-Mart and the other shops on the East Side of 441/27 legally.

So what you are saying, Steve, is that Stonecrest has blocked Spruce Creek access? Interesting....

No they have not blocked Spruce Creeks access. Spruce Creek will be able to get to all the shopping via the access road that runs on the outside of the Stonecrest facility. As far as I understand at this point the crossing is approved by the State and now they are just waiting for the implementation. I believe the speed limit is 25 MPH on that road.

Problem solved, thanks to the town of Lady Lake!

So you meant, "will be able to get Wal-Mart, etc.?"

People in Stonecrest voted to approve the crossing.

The owner of the frontage roads, Stonecrest Commercial, approved the crossing.

Spruce Creek carts will have access to the frontage roads not access into Stonecrest.

People in Stonecrest feel that Spruce Creek should give us cart access thru Spruce Creek property to the stores adjacent to their property to the south. This could be in the grass in front of Spruce Creek.

Ok, now that you have my attention, details please?

Yes, sorry about the typo. I should proof read my typing. I apologize for the misrepresentation.

Sorry Steve you have wrong information, and its off topic to this thread.

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Artic Fox. I think one reason the gate was not important 10 years ago is because they had not built a rather sizable Assisted Living Home. Their (Assisted Living) building a cart path that would accomadate their clients and provide them with free unencumbered access to Blossom roads, cart path, and the Villages was a very clever move. Of course there are significant costs associated with opening up The Villages to the "outside" and the residents are ones who bear these costs. We even have controls over family and friends visitors.
Anyone can drive into The Villages and experience the life style but when it is suggested they become a pseudo residents without bearing any of the costs or worse have a better position than family and friends then it has gone too far. As I said, if it was the Developers intent to shut this all down and set up a controlled entrance through Village Gate cards then I for one cheer him.:ho:

Sorry. I made a typo.

The first part of Lauren Lane was an empty lot..or two back to back empty lots. That's why the jog.

Should read:
The bottom line is Stonecrest is NOT very happy that Spruce Creek will xxx be able to get to Wal-Mart and the other shops on the East Side of 441/27 legally.

Stonecrest people are concerned about the Spruce Creek cart traffic on the frontage roads that are very dangerous due to 441/27 drivers avoiding the light at Sonic/CVS into Walmart by driving thru the Stonecrest frontage roads. Spruce Creek could have asked for permission to cross at the Sonic/CVS light crossing as they have access to it thru their back gate. A legal cart crossing there would have been available for use by Spuce Creek, Stonecrest and the Villages and would have been great for those stores and a safer drive for Spruce Creek Carts.

Stonecrest has automatic cart gates north and south of Walmart and do not usually drive carts on the frontage roads.

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A Golf Cart Crossing at the CVS and Wal-Mart is the most dangerous place to cross with a Golf Cart. This is why the State denied the crossing at that location.

How does one become a pseudo resident? what does that entitle one to? why would anyone want to become a pseudo resident? what in the world are you talking about???

If people were so enamored with The Villages I think they would probably live here and not be pseudo residents that have to sneak around when it gets dark to use our pools and golf courses. I think we're thinking too much of what we have here and honestly don't believe people are wearing out the cart paths to use our "stuff". I welcome them to come in and support the business here - more business keeps prices down for the rest of us.:a040:

No prob, thanks for the clarification and if you live in Stonecrest, watch out for my friend in her cart :faint:

Maybe you can sign autographs at the Town Hall meeting?

But the path connecting the public Paradise Road to the public access parking lot of the medical center is private property. We certainly have every right to travel on the public roads where golf carts are allowed and so the the residents of Stonecrest. But we are traveling on the private property path at the pleasure of the owner of that property.

I certainly think that the building of the new ALC is the reason for the wall, Penn, I just can't get my head round why it was built "during the night".

As you say, though, it would all be moot if a card-controlled gate is introduced.

no, peachie, you twisted the point! it's not mine! what does it matter if a few non-villagers use the multi-model paths?

and you failed to respond to my questions. so i will repost them here:
why do you continue to raise only a slim possibility of such when no one else does? or are you just upset because 'outsiders' MIGHT be using multi-model paths that are paid for/maintained by villager's amenity fees - especially when you have no idea how many 'outsiders' use them now or MIGHT use themin the future? i just don't get your concern?

i really am sincerely interested in your answers. pm them to me if you do not wish to post here. thanx

Thanks for that, but I would hardly consider it objective journalism when it's starts out by calling today's Daily Sun article a "puff piece disguised as an article".

I don;t who this guy is that publishes this page, but I'm sure that his objective is the same as the the developer's. To make money. He wants you to pay $19.95 so he can give you his opinion on the Villages, which he refers to as the "real story of the Villages".
Maybe he has some very good information and insights for people who are interested incoming here, but as soon as I see that kind of language several red flags go up. I have to assume that he has some kind of agenda.

All those questions have been answered at different times by me, bchbum, go under community and Peachie and you will be able to read all my posts on this which will fully explain my positions.

What you haven't answered is why all the angst on your part after we have found out, happily, that the good residents of the historic area and others in The Villages will be able to go to their desired locations through the gated opening? It's time to uncork one and celebrate.

we will all 'uncork one and celebrate' IF/WHEN the wall is open and a gate is installed!

i have read your posts and understand your positions...i am just trying to understand why you have them; and it does not appear that i will ever learn that. ciao.

Peachie has come back on to post again after quite a long absence from this forum and she had a very good reason for leaving. I know her as a smart, ethical woman with very good common sense, a kind heart and someone with the same philosophy of life as yours, Njbchbum in many ways.

I think if you were to meet in person you would not find yourselves at odds.

I think when this issue settles down and hopefully resolves itself and the adrenaline level drops, everything will be more easily discussed.

I hope so.



Bring on the new gate. Let life begin anew.

Sent you a PM :)

Very kind words, Gracie, but you know I have warts too. I had just sent njbchbum a PM and came back and found your post. Thank you and now back to the subject at hand.

amen to that !!!!!!!!!!

gracie - just got a pm from her and i could not agree with you more! lets us 3 do lunch when i return - maybe at the o.b. country club even! :)

I suppose that could be a reason, but the ALC has been under construction for almost a year now. Why would the gate not have been closed when the plans for construction were approved?

There are several possible reasons that the wall went up. They may have found some non residents playing on a golf course or using a pool after hours, new lawyers may have felt that there is some kind of liability issue, the insurance company may have raise the rates because they just discovered what has been going on, residents may have been complaining about the traffic or there may have been an accident or close call of some sort.

These are all speculation just as the ALC being the reason is speculation. The supposed feud between Morse and Brown is also speculation. No one knows exactly what happened and all of this speculation doesn't help. I've met several people over the past few days that have told me that they absolutely know the reason. The problem is that they all had different reasons.

When people post all of these speculative reasons, they tend to grow and people repeat them like they are the absolute truth. I don't think that that does anyone any good.

"Maybe it's because", becomes, "I heard that it's because', which then becomes, "I know it's because". Then people for some reason what to defend their position.

Some people don't like the Morses because of some things they've done and other people simply don't like successful people. They really want this to be about greed and Morse acting like Ebenezer Scrooge so they can say, "See I told you so. All rich people are evil and out to get us".

I think that we all need to take a deep breath and ask ourselves what do we really know as fact and stop all the speculation.

What we do know now is that a plan has been proposed and if approved, which most people seem to think it will be, it will be good for the residents of the Villages and we will be back to our lovely lifestyle once again.

We can go on saying that we don't believe it, or it's all a set up, but what good does that really do anyone. I say wait and see and in the next few weeks if we don't hear of anything good happening start getting on the VHAs back about it. They took the initiative to meet with the developer and try to work something out. The ball is now in their court. But we have to give them a chance to see if they can produce what they are promising.

Well said.

What don't you understand about assisted living. These folk need assistance to do almost everything. So you can really imagine a bunch of assisted living people breeching the Villages boundaries and using our golf courses, pools, pickle ball etc. The last assisted care I visited (we have a therapy puppy), most people could not even eat without assistance. In my wildest imagination I cannot visualize "their clients" (your words) driving a golf cart and soaking up our amenities for free.

I am certainly guilty of taking what people post on TOTV as facts

Now, must put the cart on charge ready for my next trip to Aldi...

The Basic Question Remains Unanswered
 

If the solution is as simple as the VHA proposal appears to be the question remains who was the decision authority who jumped to such a callous and onerous decision instead of participating in an open dialog? I have a strange feeling I may learn the truth about what happened at Benghazi before I learn the answer to that question.

I am hopeful the VHA proposal can be quickly approved/implemented as, even though we live near the Havana CC, we use the path 3-4 times per month.

You must not know anyone who lives at Freedom Pointe assisted living. There are some wonderful, active people living there. Also, there are spouses who may be healthy who are living with the less healthy people. They also have visitors and or family who live nearby and that is why a decision is made to put them in a local assisted living facility. The new facility has advertised that they are golf cart accessible. But let's hope all of this is water under the bridge and we are able to resolve this and have the wall taken down and all of this becomes a distant memory.

you are right...I help manage the dining room at a Village assisted living facility. These folks are NOT using the village facilities...some of their kids, age 55 plus, may live in the villages

BK,

Nice post. Must add they these folks pay an amenity fee each month.