I never said all cart paths. But before I respond to that, do you understand the difference between cart paths in TV and multi-modal paths in TV. There’s an important difference.

As for the bridge, it doesn’t matter who built it. It was built to provide a way to allow golf carts to get from the public roads on one side of 441 to the public roads on the other. You cannot allow some people to use it but not others.

I'm learning a lot from this discussion, EdV. If the builder of the bridge was Morse and he built it with an easement from the state to reach his private development on the other side of 27/441 that would probably make it a private bridge. But I'm unable to find out or determine by fact at this point if it is indeed public or private. I'm still researching.

The private paths, (or so I thought), that I was addressing were the paths between the public roadway and the access to the private Village property adjacent to the park, parking lot and the dog run area by the bridge. Am I to understand that's all public property?

Thanks for your patience in enlightening me.

Y'all still seem to be missing the key point in the proposed solution. The undeveloped house lot inside the wall will be deeded to the vcdd (NOT THE VCCDD) rendering it private property. I don't believe there's any obligation on the part of the vcdd to allow cart traffic to cross private property.

I think that everyone has to read Janet Tutt's statement a bit more carefully. She never said that social media caused the problem. She didn't blame social media for the problems that have been cause by the wall. And I think that she is 100% correct. It's exactly what I've said about speculation in several posts on this site.

She gave the reason that the wall was built.

In another article she stated that they made a mistake and didn't realize how much that it would affect the lives of the residents.

For some people this will never end. People asked for an answer to why the wall was built. An answer was given. Many of those people are saying, that they don't believe that answer. People also wanted the wall taken down and the path reopened. That is apparently going to happen and yet many people want to continue to create controversy over who came up with the plan to open the path.

Some people have a pre conceived notion that the developer is simply a bad guy that hates all of us and cares only about money. I think that too many people have seen the movie characters Ebenezer Scrooge and Gordon Gecko and believe that those people really exist.

As far as I am concerned, the answer to why the wall was put up has been answered. An apology has been issued for the way that it was done and a solution has been arrived at that will open the wall and allow Villages residents to have the access to the businesses that we've always had.

I don't really care about any of the rest of it. I don't really care who came up with solution. I thank Janet Tutt for taking responsibility and apologizing. All that you can do when you make a mistake is explain it, apologize for it and rectify it. I see that that is what has been done in this situation.

I am going to really try hard not to read any more of this subject until the new gate is installed. I have gone too close too hurting feelings of people I respect.

I hope it's soon and peace and calm once again returns to our wonderful town.

Ciao

I'm sure Ms Tutt's comment was taken out of context...That being said, for her to emphatically state " I run this district", is just plain arrogance..She needs to go....NOW!!! There should be no place in administration for that type of attitude and arrogance and total disregard for the folks affected by her stupid decision, period.

Wish I would have said this, Winston, I like your analysis.

Well, it seems like the least Morse could do is give us some sort of access from Orange Blossom to the doctors and urgent care until the wall is down and the gate installed. Until that happens, I'm not going to hold my breath believing that the wall will ever be removed. Words are easy, actions are what make the difference.

Good common-sense post.

and, since I had to look it up on Google, here's what it means:

Sturm und Drang, (German: “Storm and Stress”)

(German literary movement of the late 18th century that exalted nature, feeling, and human individualism and sought to overthrow the Enlightenment cult of Rationalism.)

well, there has been a storm over the wall, and I feel stressed, so I must agree that it is a good phrase to use

The King's Gate Fairy Tale
 

Life was good in the Kingdom. The benevolent dictator King provided all that most of his subjects needed or desired. They were happy. Outside the Kingdom walls were small settlements that chose not to reside in the Kingdom thereby avoiding the King's modest taxation and rules. There was a moat around the original dominion of the king. It helped ensure the security of the Kingdom. The King build a road and a great bridge for his people so that they might enjoy the expanding, vast, rich, bountiful lands to the West.

All was well for a long time. The King allowed the surrounding neighbors to partake of the many benefits inside his dominion. Then he built a path so that his subjects could access and enjoy amenities outside his province. Access to the path was controlled by a gate and a key issued to each of his Kingdom tax paying subjects. Happiness prevailed until others outside the empire wanted to use the path as well. The gate was frequently broken and under repair allowing unfettered access to all. In capitulation, the King removed the gate. (This is historically correct according to original Kingdom settlers).

Recently when dragons in the form of liability, security and perceived abuses of the pathway came to bare......the King, unceremoniously, without warning, in the middle of the night decided to slay the dragons and build a wall to restrict all access to HIS path. Protests in and out of the Kingdom echoed through the streets and halls of governance. The dragons were slain but the collateral damage was unacceptable.

Acting quickly, the Kings minions announced they would build a new gate with keys for all Kingdom taxpaying villagers. This substantially quelled the voices of many inside the gates. Outside the gates, including an area known as Crests of Stone, pockets of acrimony continue. A noble orator and frequent critic of the King, originally from a great Commonwealth, now residing in the Crests of Stone, continues to rally for free and unfettered (uncompensated) access to the King's path. His protests continue to stir the caldron of discontent for those who dislike or resent the Kingdom's benevolent dictator.

The loyal opposition to the King would remind his detractors that while occasionally he may incur the ire of some of his subjects for perceived tyrannical actions, please remember.....he is OUR tyrant.

How will this fairy tale end? Let's hope that after the dragons are slain, the gate is opened and diplomacy is exercised, everyone will live happily in peace and harmony ever after.

Mulligan, there's no CDD in TV named VCDD. That was a TYPO in the news article. The VCCDD which stands for Village Center Community Development District and is the governing body for the historic side of TV including Orange Blossom Hills where the cart path in question is located.

Hope this helps.

Sorry, but I am looking at my amenities bill as I type this and the heading says, VCCD Villages Community Development District.

Here ya go Peachie.

Let's put that particular statement in context.

She was saying that there was an implication that she is a mere puppet of the developer, who really runs the district, and that it is not true.

Freedom Point is ONLY independent living at this point...It is NOT a assisted living facility

It is astonishing that this thread continues and is up to 899 posts now. When reviewing these posts I noticed that the same information, opinions, etc have been introduced and re-introduced. This leads me to conclude that posters mostly just want to continue to vent.
I hope the people in charge of The Villages build a wall all around it because its the right thing to do, the fair thnik to do and the safest think to do.

All installing a gate will do is cause people to knocked it down

Sounds like the bridge is a commercial venture just like the shops. Privately owned with public access.

FAIR? there is little in life or about life that i can think of that is fair! but why go into a litany of that? the new assisted living complex has been known about and under construction for quite some time - not a new thing by any means. if, indeed, it was the golf cart access to that facility that put the burr under mr. morse's saddle, why did he just not explain that to villages residents and announce that he would be closing off that access point and give a short period of time for folks to adjust. instead with less than a day's posted and otherwise unannounced notice his people come at break of dawn and install the concrete curtain. i ask, where is the fairness in that?

Works for me.

POA e-mail
 

For those of you not on the POA e-mail list, here is an e-mail that the POA sent out concerning this issue. The e-mail casts considerable doubt on the VHA/Daily Sun version of the facts:

POA
PROPERTY OWNERS' ASSOCIATION of The Villages
E-Alert

THE GREAT WALL OF PARADISE

Sometime between Friday evening August 9 and 6 a.m. Saturday morning August 10, 2013, the golf cart trail between Paradise Drive and The Villages Health System East Campus was closed off with two sections of concrete wall that matched the wall behind the properties on either side of the trail. This trail, which was maintained by the health system commercial property owners’ association, had been used for the last two decades by eastside residents as a way to access the medical facilities there. Over time, other businesses have sprung up just north of the medical facilities (Lowes, Beall’s, Aldi’s, Wal-Mart, Cracker Barrel, etc.) and many eastside residents have found it to be a godsend that they can satisfy many of their shopping needs via golf cart and not venture out on the always busy state road 27/441. Area residents we spoke to were beside themselves wondering how they could get to doctor appointments on the other side of the wall. While most residents have the alternative of using their car, clearly there are those who do not have a car, can no longer drive or are afraid to drive on busy roads. In some cases we were advised of couples where one uses the golf cart to get to a job at an eastside business while the spouse uses the car for other necessary trips. The recurring question we got from affected residents was Why?

The closure was done under cover of darkness, no prior notice of the closing had been given to residents and up until WednesdayAugust 14th, no one was taking responsibility for erecting the wall which is on Developer owned property. With no other recourse, eastside residents have been utilizing a section of amenity maintained property a short distance south of the closed trail, just north of the Boone gate, to access the south end of the medical campus via the parking lot of the Life Family Practice Center. Dr. Kraucak who owns the facility has been kind enough to allow golf cart traffic during this crisis. Some eastside residents were even “walled out” Saturday morning, having gone to their night shift jobs at eastside businesses before the wall was put up. Out of necessity, they had to drive their golf carts along the 27/441 grass right-of-way to get home.

On Wednesday August 14th, it was reported in the Daily Sun that the Developer indeed had put up the wall because of a concern for security and that the Developer would “donate to the district government the home site on Paradise Drive, which had previously been utilized as a golf cart path. As a condition of that donation, the district would build and maintain a gate that would allow access to Village residents only.” Not surprisingly, the Daily Sun headline stated “VHA president proposes solution to golf cart issue.” All of you who attended the “Take Down The Wall” rally Monday morning at Spanish Springs town square heard POA President Elaine Dreidame explain that the POA had engaged an attorney who had already begun working through legal channels to urge the Developer to find a solution to the problem the wall had created for residents. At this point, the VHA was still following the “party line” and denying the closing had anything to do with the Developer. Meanwhile, the POA President was also talking to AAC members and Lady Lake officials regarding alternative solutions if discussions with the Developer were not successful.

The important thing is that the wall will come down with the only change being that the amenity system will maintain the trail and gates rather than the medical system property owners’ association. If security was the only reason for concern, it seems like the solution was pretty obvious and would have saved all the time and expense it took for the Developer to cast the wall sections and have them installed and more importantly, avoided the tremendous amount of angst it created in hundreds of residents. And if security was the only concern, why was the wall put up in the middle of the night, on a weekend, with no notice to residents, and why the silence until Wednesday’s Daily Sun article ? We hope next time the Developer will provide advanced notice for changes that affect residents in such a major way, so that together they can come up with a solution before any heavy-handed action is taken. For now, it seems Eastside residents can relax without fear of losing their much advertised golf cart access to doctors and other businesses.
Property Owners' Association, P.O. Box 1657, Lady Lake, FL 32158-1657 Property Owners, Association of Florida

First of all, thanks EdV for providing that info regarding the bridge and it appears to be installed and paid for by The Villages after they received a permit from a permit from the FL DOT.

QUOTE:
Morse said although the bond money will pay for the overpass, the cost really will be incurred by the Villages at Lady Lake.

''The bond taxes us, so we end up paying for the bridge,'' Morse said.
QUOTE


Steve, as I read this:

QUOTE:
'Most of our residents use golf carts as a major means of transportation,'' said Gary Morse, vice president of the Villages at Lady Lake, formerly Orange Blossom Gardens.

''This bridge will expand their horizons of where they can go.''

The overpass is needed because golf carts aren't permitted to cross state highways. The bridge should be ready for use by next summer, Morse said.
QUOTE

I fail to see the mention of anyone other than "our residents" by Gary Morse of The Villages meant to use this bridge. It was built to attract businesses to Spanish Springs because at the time there wasn't much in the area but the historic section and they couldn't cross 27/441 legally in their golf carts.

In the second paragraph of the Overview Section of this piece, note that they promote golf cart accessibility to The Villages.

Stonecrest Summerfield FL - Stone Crest Florida

Might this another reason why the gate is being installed?

And Rubicon, you're right... we're probably beating this to death and it will be decided by people other than us. I think I need a timeout.

thank you, cabo 3 for that marvelous piece! such fun!
:bigbow:

Start another petition and set a date to meet on their front door......call the tv stations.

You have had many posts on this thread. I have agreed with some and disagreed with others (not that it makes any difference) BUT this post best sums up the thread and the issue........you did well.

thanks for the clarification
 

There is no room in any kind of public statement where an official emphatically states, "I run this district". She has overstepped her authority and is displaying unfettered arrogance and disdain for legitimate resident's concerns. And she is DEFINITELY a puppet for the developer!

Monday the lady lake commission will be addressing this, you all should attend. 6 pm town hall

Sure, after advertising for over a year that their facility will be golf cart accessible and selling some rooms based on that, they are going to not allow golf carts on their property. The owners of the ACL and Mr Brown have gone out of their way to accommodate golf cart riders.

This is exactly the kind of speculation that I was talking about and the kind of misinformation that MS Tutt is talking about.

"She is DEFINITELY" "I KNOW FOR A FACT" ETC., ETC.,

That's one of the reasons we have so much trouble in the world.

The golf cart trail you mentioned has been used by Villagers for decades, and therefore the use of it should be GRANDFATHERED and such use cannot be restricted. SHAME ON THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR BLOCKING ACCESS for the many who only use golf carts to access medical offices, stores, banks, etc.

It is so easy to attack people we do not know, especially when we do not have to face them when we make our comments. Pease do not forget when talking about "the family", politicians and other posters on this forum...they are real people with real families, hearts and feelings, just as you do. Try not to say anything that you would not say face to face with another human being. Also, please don't tell me what you THINK....tell me what you KNOW!

Ms. Tutt has butted heads with the developer on several matters resulting in costs being paid by the developer and not by the residents. I agree with Dr. Boogie that the reason for her statement was to emphasize that she is in charge of the districts and does not defer to the developer automatically. I suspect that people with the perception you display may have precipitated that comment.

And I've heard that if a restricted gate is installed, Mr Brown will close the path after the ALC, which he still owns. TV would only have access to to the medical facilities and the ALC. His intent was for everyone to have access across 441. Who knows? Just rumors? Only time and costly litigation will tell...

What a boondoggle this has become.......
Worse then the kids on the play ground.

Such sad commentary for all... people just want to get in the golf cart and spend money.... it's as simple as that... shouldn't matter where you live...money is money.

Winston, didn't you mean to say that the heading says "VCDD" ?

Anyway, look here:
Your Community District

The term VCDD refers generically to all the CDDs that make up what is known as "The Villages". It should not be confused with the individual CDDs. The VHA proposal is to turn over the plot of land to the CDD that has jurisdiction over that area, namely the VCCDD.

Maybe I should start charging a consulting fee. Perhaps 1 happy hour cocktail per day.

This is so funny.

With all these “Vs” “Cs” and “Ds” getting all tangled up it should be pretty obvious that Happy Hour is well under way right now down there in Florida. Wish I was there.

It seems to me that VCDD and VCCDD are used interchangeably. Is there a difference between the two? And if so, what does VCCDD stand for? In any case...I send my checks to the VCDD, since that's who sends me the bill.

There are a lot of rumors and speculation going around today. I wouldn't put much stock in any of it.

There is a definite difference between the two as EdV has pointed out. I thought about this after I made my post.
VCDD is the overall government of the Villages. There are 12 districts within that government. Ten are simply called District1, District 2, etc. The other two districts are the lake Sumter District and the Villages Center District. I'd never heard it referred to as the Villages Center Community Development District but it definitely is. It does make it confusing when people refer to "The District".
The question I have is, is Janet Tutt head of the VCDD or the VCCDD?

See, this is just what I've been talking about and what Janet Tutt was talking about. Is it a boondoggle or have the powers that be settled the thing? What has made it appear to be a boondoggle is all of the rumor and speculation on social media sites and among the residents themselves.

Maybe it is a boondoggle, but maybe it was just an over sight that has been rectified.