[gocubsgo]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I don't understand why people are comparing this to the removal of buffalo or a cowboy statue. Those were little esthetic things that some people may have enjoyed. This wall creates a major lifestyle change for a lot of people. In some cases it may cause severe hardship.

Exactly! This goes deeper than a silly statue. There are alot of people literally trapped by this thing. I can tell you that WESH TV is VERY interested in this story! It would be great to get this on the evening news.

[OldManTime]

The Developer caved in on another injustice back about 10 years ago when villagers with signs protested on 441/27.

[gocubsgo]

Originally Posted by OldManTime

The Developer caved in on another injustice back about 10 years ago when villagers with signs protested on 441/27.

Maybe that's what we need to do..anyone interested?

[graciegirl]

I am convinced that since this just occurred that the new assisted living has decided they didn't want a cart path across the property they are using. If "they" took the wall down, perhaps you could prove that it was used in that way for so long that now it legally is a pathway...or you could be arrested for trespassing.

I can see that it truly is a great inconvenience for many but I did read on the online paper, Villages Voices that there is another muddy way out that would take you some back way to the places that are necessary. Does anyone want to comment on that? I think that I would think long and hard before I lawyered up. You can buy a used car that works for very low prices and get to where you want to go. You can spend a lot of money on lawyers and be out a lot of money and be right where you were at the beginning.

I understand your frustration. There is an answer here somewhere and it is probably a good idea to start with that.

[bkcunningham1]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I am convinced that since this just occurred that the new assisted living has decided they didn't want a cart path across the property they are using. If "they" took the wall down, perhaps you could prove that it was used in that way for so long that now it legally is a pathway...or you could be arrested for trespassing.

I can see that it truly is a great inconvenience for many but I did read on the online paper, Villages Voices that there is another muddy way out that would take you some back way to the places that are necessary. Does anyone want to comment on that? I think that I would think long and hard before I lawyered up. You can buy a used car that works for very low prices and get to where you want to go. You can spend a lot of money on lawyers and be out a lot of money and be right where you were at the beginning.

I understand your frustration. There is an answer here somewhere and it is probably a good idea to start with that.

Gracie, let's think logically. We will know more as the day goes on, but for now let's be level headed and try to get correct answers. How and why would the wall be on TV property if it belonged to someone else? Why would the assisted living advertise as golf cart accessible and have golf cart drivers sign a petition and even promise to pave the path and keep it opened for travel and then come onto TV property and erect a wall and put up signage saying the access is closed? Why would the assisted living put signs up directing cart traffic around the construction if they thought people were trespassing? Why would the businesses in the area have golf cart parking, yet, say people in carts are trespassing?

Maybe you'd be kind and copy and paste the story about the muddy path.

[redwitch]

The comparison to the buffalo and statue is simply comparing actions by the developer. I most definitely not putting this at the same level of necessity. As to maintenance, so far as I know, this path was never maintained by the developer or anyone else. If it rains, it is a muddy path. It is grooved and bumpy. It behooves you to drive slowly and carefully.

And, Gracie, if you read recent threads, someone did say they had contacted the assisted living people and they did NOT want the path closed -- the exact opposite.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by OldManTime

All should keep in mind that the wall was built with the either the approval, or direct direction of Mark Morse. His motivation is not allowing villagers to shop outside "The Walls"............
Just past midnight during the night of August 12-13, 1961, East German soldiers and construction workers headed to the border of West and East Berlin" Does this sound familiar?

Come on....................

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

Dee, I am waiting to get additional information. It seems silly to ask someone to sign a petition without having more information. I would not sign a petition if the petitioner could not explain the basics of who did what and why. I do not know those answers yet. I want to do the right thing and move with logic not pure emotion. I want to give people an opportunity to answer questions so I will have answers.

Now this make sense.

[bkcunningham1]

Of course they didn't want the path closed. They are advertising the new facility with reference to the cart path. Even The Oaks Villages | Stonecrest | Del Webb | Lady Lake advertises that the facility has: "Accessibility with multiple access points including golf cart access"..."via the Villages and Stonecrest..."

[gocubsgo]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I am convinced that since this just occurred that the new assisted living has decided they didn't want a cart path across the property they are using. If "they" took the wall down, perhaps you could prove that it was used in that way for so long that now it legally is a pathway...or you could be arrested for trespassing.

I can see that it truly is a great inconvenience for many but I did read on the online paper, Villages Voices that there is another muddy way out that would take you some back way to the places that are necessary. Does anyone want to comment on that? I think that I would think long and hard before I lawyered up. You can buy a used car that works for very low prices and get to where you want to go. You can spend a lot of money on lawyers and be out a lot of money and be right where you were at the beginning.

I understand your frustration. There is an answer here somewhere and it is probably a good idea to start with that.

Gracie we all know how much you "love the Developer" and how fond you are of the Morse family but here's a few things...you aren't on this side of TV and therefore you can't relate to the enormous problems this thing has caused. Morse did this...sorry to break the news to you but this guy is a power hungry jerk who never cared about this side of TV. That's why our restaurant is gone, our street signs are falling apart, houses that are abandoned are ignored when complained about and now, we are walled up like Berlin! The wall is on Villages property, we ALL know who put it there and now we have to cover all our bases to get it removed.

[jannd228]

Originally Posted by Indydealmaker

Why not set up an online petition:
iPetitions: Start a free online petition / Create a petition

this one works the best IMHO
http://www.change.org/

[graciegirl]

http://www.**************.com/berlin-...historic-side/


Whoops. It is called *************. The person who is writing this is Meta Minton who used to be managing editor of The Daily Sun.

[bkcunningham1]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Newly erected 'Berlin Wall' irks golf cart drivers on Historic Side of Villages - **************

Thank you, Gracie. Did you ever find out who prints the publication you linked? The Villages Voice is a publication put out by The Villages Homeowners Association.

[bkcunningham1]

LOL. I see your edited response now.

[jane032657]

Originally Posted by wendyquat

Perhaps jane032657 could help enlighten us as she is to be "opening" Harbor Chase!

I am actually not working at HarborChase. However, I do know that the company was going to provide golf cart parking and charging stations and was excited to be golf cart accessible for their own residents and for those visiting. I have shared this TOTV discussion with the company so they can respond on their own behalf. They also have their own sponsorship page on TOTV where you could ask them questions and post directly. They are a very good company with strong values and a commitment to the community and very much interested in all aspects of accessibility to their property.

There is a bigger land owner by Lowe's and HarborChase who has property for sale along 441 and owns a lot of property going behind where the golf cart path was. He has been there for a long time. This may be someone you want to contact to discuss relationships with The Villages and gain any insight he may have as to the wall. I believe he would know the details or at least the politics of this issue.