[CFrance]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

You can't get blood out of a turnip.

Apparently this is the way the owners choose to operate. They aren't transparent and they don't much seem to care if their decisions are popular. Those of us who foolishly hope for the best and want to see good and think positively will continue to do so and those of us who very realistically want things solved immediately and the reason known for why things happen and for people in charge to behave graciously may again be disappointed.

Will the end justify the means? I selfishly hope so. I moved here for peace and good times.

I said I wouldn't post until the gate went up.

See how much resolve I have?

Good morning. It's a beautiful day in The Villages. We have fewer days ahead then those behind. Enjoy the heck outa this one.

And I told myself I would remain neutral in regards to the developer, and that didn't work either, so you're not alone in failing your own resolutions, Gracie.

It IS a beautiful day, and we are all so lucky.

[justjim]

One very good "thing" came from this Thread. Now, I know the difference between VCDD and VCCDD. I've been staying up late at night wondering about that...... As mentioned a couple of times in this Thread, this "smelled of lawyers" from the first hours and I still believe that was the case. Whatever, as my mother use to say " this crisis too will pass". Enjoy your day---Gracie in her wisdom has spoken----we have fewer days ahead than we had behind. Very true.

[TVMayor]

Documents show that path where �wall� went up was designated for carts in �98
August 12, 2013 By Site Admin 158 Comments
Lady Lake Commission document from 1998.

Lady Lake Commission document from 1998.

Lady Lake documents show that the golf cart path where the infamous �Berlin Wall� went up this weekend on the Historic Side of The Villages was officially designated in 1998 as a golf cart thoroughfare.

The documentation indicates that the concern 15 years ago was residents� ability to reach medical facilities.

�This morning in our research we found that back in 1998 a resolution (see attached) was approved to vacate lot 3422 so that it may be used as a thoroughfare for golf carts pursuant to a site plan approved by the Town Commission (we have also located the 1998 site plan and it shows the concrete golf cart path with signage),� Town Manager Kris Kollgaard wrote in an email to Mayor Jim Richards and town commissioners.

And Kollgaard indicated that a construction company attempted to file a demolition permit with the town to tear down the wall.

�A few minutes ago an application for a Demolition permit to prepare the site for a new single family residence was brought in from Murrays construction for this lot (1157 Paradise Dr),� Kollgaard wrote in the email.

�I gave the permit back to them and advised that there will be discussion at Monday�s meeting regarding this lot and that they were welcome to attend the meeting,� she said in the email.

The Lady Lake Commission will meet at 6 p.m. Monday at Town Hall and the wall is on the agenda.

The topic of the new barricade will be on the agenda at the Lady Lake Commission meeting at 6 p.m. Monday. SNIP

Documents show that path where 'wall' went up was designated for carts in '98 - **************

[DaBears]

Ahhh, It does my heart good to see that Hypocrisy is alive and well in TV.

The proposed solution to the Berlin Wall is to replace it with a gate that allows Village residents access to Medical Services, Restaurants and Business’ located on Non-Village property. All the while denying Non-Village Residents the same rights. You know those “Evil StoneCrest Residents”. The handful that use this path to access Medical Services, Restaurants and Business’. How dare they feel like they have a right to use the path as a means to access the public roads inside TV. After all just because their Tax Dollars were and are used to build and maintain these roads. Who do they think they are? To think they have a right to come over here and spend their money on things like Health Care, Food or Other Things.

The party line that this whole issue arouse over “Security Concerns” brings up the question, If there is a problem with crimes being committed in Orange Blossom, How come the Daily Sun has not been reporting on them? Really, Security Concerns!!! What do we have Golf Cart Drive By Shootings? Or do we have a bunch of outsiders roaming the neighborhood threatening the residents with their walkers? Sorry I have to call BS on this one.

Liability, This path has been there for 20+ years. How many Liability Claims have been made in that time frame? Really, Anyone know?

Let’s call this what it is. This is a Pi**ing contest between 2 Millionaires and we are caught in the middle.

Look as we are all sitting in God’s waiting room can’t we just get along and enjoy the few years we have left?

[Arctic Fox]

I trusted you guys; now I find out that you have betrayed me!

I read in today's Daily Sun - that bastion of truth and fairness - that its (tardy and incomplete) reporting on The Wall was the only correct version, and that all other sources were lies and innuendo.

So obviously I can no longer trust anyone who posted on TOTV.

Including me.



Maybe the next time we have a spat with the developer we should all cancel our subscriptions to The Daily Sun?

I, for one, won't really miss finding out what the top five favorite breakfast cereals are in The Villages, or seeing numerous pictures spread over four days of kids starting their new school year.

[Arctic Fox]

Originally Posted by DaBears

Liability, This path has been there for 20+ years. How many Liability Claims have been made in that time frame?

While I am delighted that a solution appears to have been reached - time will tell - the fact that "liability" has been cited as the reason for the path's closure is of real concern.

There are two areas of cart path that expose users to considerably more risk than this little cut-through, and are thus considerably more of a liability.

I am referring to
1) the cart bridge over 441; and
2) the narrow causeway from 466 to Lake Sumter Landing.

If either of these was closed due to "liability" then we would be in a real bind.

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

I trusted you guys; now I find out that you have betrayed me!

I read in today's Daily Sun - that bastion of truth and fairness - that its (tardy and incomplete) reporting on The Wall was the only correct version, and that all other sources were lies and innuendo.

So obviously I can no longer trust anyone who posted on TOTV.

Including me.



Maybe the next time we have a spat with the developer we should all cancel our subscriptions to The Daily Sun?

I, for one, won't really miss finding out what the top five favorite breakfast cereals are in The Villages, or seeing numerous pictures spread over four days of kids starting their new school year.

I am sure that the Developer will be checking out the local poorhouse because he did not get a $55 per year subscription.

[ttown]

Of course they would play the liability card. What else is there?
To the newbies...fewer than ten, twenty years..this why we have the POA. i love the Villages and will continue to enjoy the many good things about living here. But once in awhile they do dumb things and need to be reminded that we are still thinking adults .
It isn't easy to get them to listen, but it is possible.

[Bucco]

I have a serious question for those who delight in mocking the newspaper, the developer and such. This question is prompted by old friends up north who have browsed this site and ask me how in the world can I live in such a place.

Was the newspaper misrepresented to you when you moved here or when you subscribed ? Do you still have a subscription ?

Did the developer lie to you when you moved here about anything ? If he, or his rep did, did you call him or them on it ?

Have you taken a course (not exactly sure if it is still offered but it used to be) on the workings and government of our Villages ?

The sarcasm presented here about the paper, etc. certainly would prompt me to look other places, or to look to move. I only mention these because it has already been discussed but there are other comments alluding to sinkholes and how development here adds to the problem.

I am not an employee here....not a defender of the developer or anyone associated with him or his family..nor do I resent his making money on a product such as The Villages.

I just do not understand such sarcasm, etc aimed so directly. To be sure, everyone is subject to criticism, but so many posts do not come across as suggestions or questions, but more of an actual condescending attitude wrapped in sarcasm or total distrust. Blind trust is not smart for sure.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

While I am delighted that a solution appears to have been reached - time will tell - the fact that "liability" has been cited as the reason for the path's closure is of real concern.

There are two areas of cart path that expose users to considerably more risk than this little cut-through, and are thus considerably more of a liability.

I am referring to
1) the cart bridge over 441; and
2) the narrow causeway from 466 to Lake Sumter Landing.

If either of these was closed due to "liability" then we would be in a real bind.

I'm also delighted the Villages will get their gate back. This will still give Wal-Mart the continued incentive to keep the Duke Energy path open. I feared Wal-Mart would loose incentive should Village Traffic no longer come via Golf Cart to the 441/27 Wal-Mart. I agree with you the bridge is an accident waiting to happen. Very narrow and designed when Golf carts were Golf Carts. As for liability you don't have to be a non-resident to be a liability. You potentially have 70 thousand potential plaintiffs for a law suit. Anyone using the paths could if injured instigate a law suit. Anyone that rents a cart at SS and uses the paths is also a liability and if injured on a path could also instigate a law suit.

[GeorgeMiller061]

When I first moved here 10+ years ago there were no houses south of CR466. The Villages had already bought the land but were being sued by a Mr. Brown of Oxford FL over the amount of water they would be using. This is the same Mr. Brown who owns property on 441/27. All was well until the new Harbor Chase being built on land either owned or formally owed by Mr. Brown advertised that they would be golf cart accessible. I believe the wall might be a little payback for that lawsuit many years ago, which delayed the start of building south of CR466.

[bkcunningham1]

Originally Posted by buggyone

I am sure that the Developer will be checking out the local poorhouse because he did not get a $55 per year subscription.

Not to derail the thread any further than it has already be taken, but I wanted to say that the revenue from subscriptions isn't what keeps a newspaper afloat. It is the advertisers. You can't get someone to pay the big bucks for advertising when you don't have subscribers.

[Bogie Shooter]

[QUOTE=Bucco;727220]Have you taken a course (not exactly sure if it is still offered but it used to be) on the workings and government of our Villages ?

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Community Development District Orientation
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No sign-ups or fees are required for this presentation. Sessions are held every Thursday at 10:00 a.m. at the District Office, 3201 Wedgewood Lane, in the Conference Room at the east end of the building next to the Customer Service Center.

You may call 352-753-4508 for additional information.

[bkcunningham1]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I have a serious question for those who delight in mocking the newspaper, the developer and such. This question is prompted by old friends up north who have browsed this site and ask me how in the world can I live in such a place.

Was the newspaper misrepresented to you when you moved here or when you subscribed ? Do you still have a subscription ?

Did the developer lie to you when you moved here about anything ? If he, or his rep did, did you call him or them on it ?

Have you taken a course (not exactly sure if it is still offered but it used to be) on the workings and government of our Villages ?

The sarcasm presented here about the paper, etc. certainly would prompt me to look other places, or to look to move. I only mention these because it has already been discussed but there are other comments alluding to sinkholes and how development here adds to the problem.

I am not an employee here....not a defender of the developer or anyone associated with him or his family..nor do I resent his making money on a product such as The Villages.

I just do not understand such sarcasm, etc aimed so directly. To be sure, everyone is subject to criticism, but so many posts do not come across as suggestions or questions, but more of an actual condescending attitude wrapped in sarcasm or total distrust. Blind trust is not smart for sure.

Bucco, I'm an old-school newspaper woman from way back. When I was having a discussion with my husband about this issue in regards to the Daily Sun's coverage of the "wall," he straightened me out real fast and set my emotion and passion back in check. He laughed and said, "The Morse family owns the newspaper. The reporters work for them. Do you think CNN reporters or Fox reporters would have jobs very long if they did an investigative report on the owners of either company and went against them?"

That's just the way the world goes round.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

Not to derail the thread any further than it has already be taken, but I wanted to say that the revenue from subscriptions isn't what keeps a newspaper afloat. It is the advertisers. You can't get someone to pay the big bucks for advertising when you don't have subscribers.

Allow me to go on record to say I totally and completely enjoy the local paper. I have always subscribed and will always subscribe. I understand what it is, accepted that and love it.

Yep...ads do pay the bills and the ads are there for those subscribers to read.

I never understood all the whining about the paper. I do not rely on it for what it seems others do, and I suggest dropping your subscription if rumors is what you want to be your news.

This particular issue is one on which I will not comment because I do not have all the facts and it was resolved or is being resolved.

I would ask those who look down their nose at this paper to check the New York Times for their correction page, or their slant on things...same with the WSJ or any paper

And as far as any money being made by the developer....the risks this family took early on....well, lets just say I do not begrudge one cent.