[ColdNoMore]

The whole 'island' (NOT bridge) issue...simply blows my mind.

Bring in a reputable third party engineering company, not associated with Da Family or looking to milk a contract at the expense of the residents, and they will laugh at what a big deal is being made...about what is basically a small erosion issue.

Had the proper amount of armor rock/rip-rap been placed on the islands during construction, the relatively piddly amount of erosion (created only by wind induced waves, of a relatively small lake)...could easily have been mitigated.

The "fix" is to simply add a bit of fill material (compacted of course), place additional Class 4 (or 5) rip-rap...and it would last for another 100 years.

This could easily be done by cutting a road to the water line, using dump trucks to stockpile the material, a small dozer/track loader to spread/compact the fill materiel...and an excavator to 'PLACE' the additional rip-rap.

The truth of the matter is, that it was poorly-designed in the first place and the responsibility to fix it correctly...SHOULD be The Developer's.

And I guarantee it's NOT a 7 figure project...more like a low 6 figure one.

And yes, this is like some of the type of projects...I oversaw in my previous life.

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

The whole 'island' (NOT bridge) issue...simply blows my mind.

Bring in a reputable third party engineering company, not associated with Da Family or looking to milk a contract at the expense of the residents, and they will laugh at what a big deal is being made...about what is basically a small erosion issue.

Had the proper amount of armor rock/rip-rap been placed on the islands during construction, the relatively piddly amount of erosion (created only by wind induced waves, of a relatively small lake)...could easily have been mitigated.

The "fix" is to simply add a bit of fill material (compacted of course), place additional Class 4 (or 5) rip-rap...and it would last for another 100 years.

This could easily be done by cutting a road to the water line, using dump trucks to stockpile the material, a small dozer/track loader to spread/compact the fill materiel...and an excavator to 'PLACE' the additional rip-rap.

The truth of the matter is, that it was poorly-designed in the first place and the responsibility to fix it correctly...SHOULD be The Developer's.

And I guarantee it's NOT a 7 figure project...more like a low 6 figure one.

And yes, this is like some of the type of projects...I oversaw in my previous life.

I assume you were not at the meeting, that "fix" was brought up and it was covered in detail why not. The District is a government and as a result, the bigger governments (State and Federal) has rules about how "fixes" are evaluated and approved. In fairness, the person who brought it up was not knowledgeable or receptive to the bureaucratic process that was required. If you have knowledge on how to bypass the process or what the District is missing you should get your firm to get involved or share their process. Talking to our State and Federal representatives might be an avenue. It might be a small erosion issue but I have yet to see a State Government or The Army Corps of Engineers ever have a simple solution for a small problem. I have seen (in PA) small problems require environmental studies, engineering studies complete with drawings and multiple options, chemical impacts on watersheds, cross departmental permits and more....as laymen, we all saw simple fixes, the Government, not so much.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by JoMar

I assume you were not at the meeting, that "fix" was brought up and it was covered in detail why not. The District is a government and as a result, the bigger governments (State and Federal) has rules about how "fixes" are evaluated and approved. In fairness, the person who brought it up was not knowledgeable or receptive to the bureaucratic process that was required. If you have knowledge on how to bypass the process or what the District is missing you should get your firm to get involved or share their process. Talking to our State and Federal representatives might be an avenue. It might be a small erosion issue but I have yet to see a State Government or The Army Corps of Engineers ever have a simple solution for a small problem. I have seen (in PA) small problems require environmental studies, engineering studies complete with drawings and multiple options, chemical impacts on watersheds, cross departmental permits and more....as laymen, we all saw simple fixes, the Government, not so much.

I fully understand, and agree with you, with the frustration/complexity/permitting of dealing with anything...that can come close to being considered a "wetland."

Hint for those who may not know, a wetland...doesn't even have to have water present.

My main point though, is that having 'wind-induced hydraulic wave erosion' from such a small lake...is a huge failure of the original design.

After all, it's not like any tides or moving water...is even involved.

That some of the residents now have to pay for this obvious screwup by The Developer...should raise everyone's hackles.

Instead, the usual suspects will protect Da Family and actually believe that this is some sort of force majeure...which it is most certainly not.

It's simply a case of doing the bare minimum, hoping it works/lasts...thus saving a few bucks during original construction.

[Moderator]

Again, a thread is being moved off topic. This thread is about bond versus maintenance fees. It is not about the repair of. The island on the approach to Sumter Landing. Further off topic posts will be deleted.

As always, if y wish to start a thread about the island repair, feel free to do so.

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