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Old 12-22-2020, 08:21 AM
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Moving to TV right after Christmas. Looking for some advise on what we need to do to winterize our home in Maine till we return inMay. We're turning our heat down to fifty. We have three Camara's monitoring the house. Should we flush the toilets out and leave the faucets open. We plan on shutting off our well pump, not sure if this is recommended. Any suggestions?
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Old 12-22-2020, 08:30 AM
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Do you have a way to be notified if the heating system fails? We used to put RV antifreeze in the toilets. We did not drain water lines but we only dropped thermostat to 60 degrees. At 50 degrees you may have a higher chance of freezing pipes in a poorly insulated area. You might turn off hot water heater if not needed.
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Moving to TV right after Christmas. Looking for some advise on what we need to do to winterize our home in Maine till we return inMay. We're turning our heat down to fifty. We have three Camara's monitoring the house. Should we flush the toilets out and leave the faucets open. We plan on shutting off our well pump, not sure if this is recommended. Any suggestions?
Is your heating system forced air? If it's hot water baseboard, there's more to do.

Here's what we did before we got hotwater baseboard heating.

Turn off the well pump. Turn off the water heater.
Open the drain at the lowest point in your system. Open all your faucets, including the bathtub/showers.
Pour some RV anti-freeze in the toilets, both up top and in the bowl. ETA: Also any sink/tub drains
Cover your bowls with Saran wrap. This helps keep the mice from going for a swim because that's where you will find them when you return. You can also just stack some lumber across the bowl to keep them out.(some short 1x4/1x6 right on the bowl, not the lid)

Since you have cameras, you're maintaining an internet, a WIFI thermostat will allow you to control and monitor the interior temp. I'd get one right away.

If you have hotwater baseboard, you need to leave your well on as there is a fill valve for your heating system. This means you have to just pour some RV fluid in the toilet and monitor the temp. Hope for the best and have someone lined up that can come in and assess the problem. When we added on to the house, we added hot water baseboard heating.

I also agree that 50 is too low. I leave mine at 63 but I have remote control. If it gets super cold out, I will turn the system up. I want the water in the baseboards to circulate. Anti-freeze in the heating system also works but wrecks the efficiency, shrug.

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Old 12-22-2020, 08:55 AM
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Moving to TV right after Christmas. Looking for some advise on what we need to do to winterize our home in Maine till we return inMay. We're turning our heat down to fifty. We have three Camara's monitoring the house. Should we flush the toilets out and leave the faucets open. We plan on shutting off our well pump, not sure if this is recommended. Any suggestions?
Put plumbing antifreeze in toilets and traps
We use Blink cameras
Turn off water
Open cabinet doors under sinks
Put heat tape on exposed pipes
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Old 12-22-2020, 08:58 AM
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Thinking main concern would be freezing pipes. At our place in Maine we turn water off (we have electric hot water heater so also breaker that off). We leave internet on so can check/control thermostats and temp (Ecobee, like we have in TV). These can be set to send you a notification if temp drops. Doesn’t help though in case of power and internet outage together. If you have a monitored alarm system, most modern ones use a separate cell radio and is inexpensive to add a low temp sensor. This will work even if internet is out. (Assuming you have someone in Maine who has access and can go by if needed). We do not drain toilets, etc, but we do open all bathroom cabinets that have piping running through, and under sink kitchen cabs to make certain heated air can get in.
Outside faucets unless frost proof obviously drain and blow out.
If this is first time for you, IMHO might be taking a chance at 50 degrees...might be low unless you’re certain very well insulated home.
Also having someone checking place every few days is not enough to catch frozen pipes before damage is done. Making certain temps don’t get cold enough is best way.
An automatic backup generator will also help you sleep better.
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Put plumbing antifreeze in toilets and traps
We use Blink cameras
Turn off water
Open cabinet doors under sinks
Put heat tape on exposed pipes
You're correct. Traps too. We used to do that as well, but it's been 10+ years and I forgot that one. Our house was heated by a fireplace. It got to ambient inside of a day or two. Every winter we'd lose a pipe here or there. Pex became the savior as it can freeze and not burst. It doesn't get a million cycles of freeze/thaw but if you forget something, chances are it won't burst.
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You can buy a skylink with heat sensor _ will dial you at a set temp.
I used one for our cottage for 10 years, northern tool I believe is where I purchased it. ----- 50 degrees is too low to set your heat, some laminated surfaces can delaminate
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Have your local plumber drain everything put no burst in you heating system sink toilet shower dish washer washing machine also add if your heat is baseboard
Turn your heat and hot water off

Fill water bottle 1/2 full freeze on it's side stand up in freezer when you return if it had melted contents will be at bottom of bottle
That's what we have been doing for over 10 years . Our home is in Maine
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I've got Nest thermostats on both floors in my home in Hampden, ME and can check and adjust temps from Fenney at any time..
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Get a temperature controlled extension cord and plug a lamp into it that you can place in a window that a friend or neighbor can see come on if the temp in your home goes below what you set it at. Personally I would just turn off the water, put plastic wrap over the toilet seats so that the water doesn't evaporate, set your heat at 66 degrees and don't worry about anything else. If your friend or neighbor sees the lamp on they will know that your heating system failed and can then do whatever you asked them to do. We had a summer home in northern Ohio and everyone in that complex did exactly that and there were times over the years that the lamps came on in some of the homes.
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This is a great thread, some good information already posted. I have to deal with a family summer lake house up north that I have been winterizing for about 45 years, as well as my wife and my home up north when we go to the Villages. Both are different animals. The lake house is relatively easy. It was plumbed to be shut down and winterized. Turn off the water, throw the valves under the house to gravity drain most of the water, then use a air compressor to blow the rest of the water out of the lines. Use a shop vac to suck the water out of the toilet bowl and tank, and fill both with RV antifreeze. Then be sure to leave all valves and faucets open so no water can get trapped inside and freeze and trash the gaskets. After opening everything all the way, close them just a little bit so water doesn't get trapped in them in the open setting. Then put RV in all U drain traps, both to dilute the water stuck in the traps, and so that no stink from the septic system can back up into the house. And be sure to drain the hot water heater and be sure the power to the heater is shut off first and taped shut so it can not be accidentally open. And don't forget to set a bunch of mouse traps and not leave any food around. This house is not heated during the winter, because it is vacant and the plumbing is dry.

Our home up north is very different. That house has four heat sources. Wood stove, pellet stove, forced hot water baseboard and radiant heat in the basement slab, which is also forced hot water. The house also is not designed or plumbed to have the water drained from the plumbing, so it can not actually be winterized. When we are up north, we never use the forced hot water baseboard. Between the radiant heat and either the wood or pellet stove, that is more than adequate. However, when we come to Florida during the winter, the wood and pellet stove are not an option without us being there to tend to them. So here is what I do. First, I run the forced hot water for a few days before we go to make sure the system is bled of any air and everything is working. Obviously, fill the oil tank to run the furnace just before leaving. I keep the radiant heat in the basement slab at 70 degrees year round, it is very efficient and heating the basement in the summer prevents condensation/humidity in the basement so I don't need to run a dehumidifier. I run the heat in the baseboard in the first and second floors at 58 degrees. I used to have a lamp plugged into a temperature controlled outlet like vintageogauge previously stated, but now have a wifi temp stick instead. The temp stick allows me to remotely monitor the temperature in the home from the Villages and it also will send me a text notification if the house temperature falls below 50 degrees. If the temperature falls below 50 degrees I will call my neighbor and he will come by and check things out. If necessary he will turn on the pellet stove and come by once a day and fill the hopper with pellets until I can get the oil burner guy to come by and fix things. I turn off the power to my well pump just in case we have a water leak. Our heating system is forced water, but is a closed system that rarely needs to have water added to it, and there is still plenty of water in the pressurized holding tank if the system needs to add some water. I also turn of the heating zone that runs my indirect hot water heater as there is no need for hot water except for the heating zones. We also empty the refrigerator/freezer, unplug it and leave the doors open. We do have lots of food still in the coffin freezer in the basement, so that stays running. I fill a cup of water and put it in the freezer until the water is frozen, then put a coin on top of the ice. If the coin is not still on top of the ice when you return, then you know you had a problem. We are lucky to have a great neighbor who has two boys who need extra spending money, so they periodically check on things and use their tractor to plow us out when necessary. If I loose power, so does my neighbor, so he will come to our house and fire up my generator and flip the switch in my transfer panel so that it powers my oil burner and coffin freezer. I leave him plenty of gas for the generator just in case it is needed. I also put some LED lights on timers, so they go on and off at various times and it appears someone is home. And on the way out the door I flush a bunch of enzymes down the toilet to keep the septic system healthy. I have never seen the need to fill toilets with RV antifreeze, as long as the house is heated and there is plenty of water in them it is all good. I just shut the lid to the toilet so the water does not evaporate. And our house is plumbed with PEX tubing, not copper pipes, so even if the house did get below freezing, the pipes should be OK. With the radiant heat in our basement slab, which holds heat very efficiently, it would take a very long time for our house to freeze up. Hope this helps give you some useful ideas.
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Old 12-23-2020, 05:57 AM
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We have forced hot water. I plan to lower the temps to high 50s, shut off water supply as I believe the heat is a closed end system. Open all cabinets under sinks, WiFi thermostats and cameras. Your cameras will probably need to be reset from time to time so you’ll need someone who can get into the house.
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Moving to TV right after Christmas. Looking for some advise on what we need to do to winterize our home in Maine till we return inMay. We're turning our heat down to fifty. We have three Camara's monitoring the house. Should we flush the toilets out and leave the faucets open. We plan on shutting off our well pump, not sure if this is recommended. Any suggestions?
Cold here too.
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Old 12-23-2020, 06:30 AM
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Someone in Maine should know what to do. Check with folks in Houlton.
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I thought migration south had been canceled
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