[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

I have had a friendship with someone outside the villages for about 10 years and this has never been a problem. That's because there are so many activities available were a pass is not needed.

If you like to dance you can dance every evening at one of the town squares.

You can go to any restaurant to eat.

You can go to any of the theaters to see a movie.

You can go to paid entertainment at the Savannah Center as long as you buy a ticket.

You can go to a health or travel expo.

You can go to any of the parades .

You can participate in the Senior Olympics.

You can take a romantic walk on the boardwalk.

What more does one need?

You can't go to the pools; you can't go to the rec centers; you can't join any of the clubs (because you can't get into the rec centers to go to the meetings); you can't take any of the classes; you have to pay an outsiders' fee for Lifelong Learning College classes. You can't get a gate pass or drive on any of the multi-modal paths. Oh wait... I guess you can if you're from Stonecrest.

[Jimturner]

Originally Posted by Bonny

I understand all sides. I get what everyone says.
However, we all knew all of this when we chose to buy here.

It truly is that simple. If one group got the rules changed to give out free ice cream at the squares, the lactos intolerant folks would find it unfair.

You bought into a life style that came with many well thought out rules and restrictions. Live with them the way they are or move, but stop trying to change my way of life to fit you better.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by CFrance

You can't go to the pools; you can't go to the rec centers; you can't join any of the clubs (because you can't get into the rec centers to go to the meetings); you can't take any of the classes; you have to pay an outsiders' fee for Lifelong Learning College classes. You can't get a gate pass or drive on any of the multi-modal paths. Oh wait... I guess you can if you're from Stonecrest.

HiCFrance: Aaah! but what you can do is buy in The Villages and then dance and swim and golf and recreate til your little heart is content. and if i were single i wouldn't want some female to date me just so she could manipulate me into getting her a village ID just so she could latch on to my amenity connections

Personal Best Regards:

[Bonny]

Originally Posted by Jimturner

It truly is that simple. If one group got the rules changed to give out free ice cream at the squares, the lactos intolerant folks would find it unfair.

You bought into a life style that came with many well thought out rules and restrictions. Live with them the way they are or move, but stop trying to change my way of life to fit you better.

I have friends that get mad at restaurants when they offer the incentive of a free beer or a glass of wine with a meal.
They say they don't like beer or wine and they want a mixed drink !!
Then of course there are the ones that don't like the incentive at all because it encourages drinking !
It gets crazy. We all have choices ! We all have to read the rules. Then make the choice, go or don't go, buy or don't buy.
It's simple.
My parents would always say to me when I was growing up, "because those are the rules."

[biker1]

Yes, it is called "married filing as single". If you are single then you are supporting yourself and not a spouse - not sure I see what your point is.

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

Can marrieds not file as single? I think so...
And single parents get what "break"?

[biker1]

You don't need a Village id to play the championship courses.

Originally Posted by CFrance

Boy, you guessed right, Joe! Can of worms.

How many singles are living in TV? How many more people would be on the golf courses?

If they can throw a wall up where none existed, they can correct an inequity. It's their show; they can do anything they want. You singles hopefully can find some way to effect a change.

[Jimturner]

Originally Posted by Bonny

I have friends that get mad at restaurants when they offer the incentive of a free beer or a glass of wine with a meal.
They say they don't like beer or wine and they want a mixed drink !!
Then of course there are the ones that don't like the incentive at all because it encourages drinking !
It gets crazy. We all have choices ! We all have to read the rules. Then make the choice, go or don't go, buy or don't buy.
It's simple.
My parents would always say to me when I was growing up, "because those are the rules."

It realy is Bonnie. Given a minute to think about it, everyone in The Villages could come up with something they don't benifit from and could convert that to unfair. Point is, the rules we live by have been researched my experts far more qualified than any of us as individuals. There are several things done here that I don't agree with, yet I say PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't change a thing. We spent 6 years researching retirement communities and selected The Villages as the best designed of them all including the way this place is set up and also, THE RULES. Live Adapt and Enjoy.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Bonny

It's simple.
My parents would always say to me when I was growing up, "because those are the rules."

That's what most of the posts are saying......................

[2BNTV]

Originally Posted by Mikeod

Help me out here 2BNTV. I'm trying to figure out just where the problem is. I can see that without a guest pass or ID, that a non-resident can't use the pools, attend a class or activity at a rec center, or play golf or tennis or pickleball. But they can go to the squares and enjoy the music, attend concerts a the Savannah Center, go to the movies, eat at the restaurants including the country clubs, etc. So, much of the ambiance of TV is available, just certain things are not.

Just to reiterate what I observed at the AAC, if an exception is made for what appears to be a reasonable request, how does TV refuse a equally reasonable request? Where does it stop?

Further, let's say they allow non-resident "permanent" guest IDs. Those with friends at Stonecrest (just an example, not to reopen that can of worms again!) could get them an ID, and those with friends in Ocala, and those with friends in Bushnell, and so on. How do we differentiate? Does it have to be the opposite sex? Well that discriminates by gender. Do we place a limit? That discriminates against new Villages residents. And if a limit, how many? 1000? 10000? 20000?

So, what activities are you looking for admission to with your friend?

Mike:

The guest passes are issued for people outside the 50 radius of TV. This stops everyone in TV, to not invite a non-resident to all of the facilities.

The friend is fictitious at the moment. I just wanted to have a single person have the same rights as marrieds, to bring someone who lives outside TV and within the 50 mile radius, to a special event, that married people already have the rights to. People who say "dems the rules", and "where does it stop" are going off on a tangent. IMHO

The single popular is being somewhat affected as the rule is saying in effect, "if you want to meet someone and take them to a event, you must meet a single person inside TV who is a resident, and and/or, a guest pass if they are renting or live with them.

A simple request for singles to have the same rights as marrieds, as we all pay the same amenity fees. By contrast, I am not asking married people to pay twice the amenity fee, because they use them, twice a much. I am also not saying that all people should obtain extra passes for their friends, who may live inside the 50 mile radius but outside TV. We all have paid for the priviledge of this elegant lifestyle.

I have to admit, I am getting amused by some of the responses especially from those that are not effected by this form of bias against the single population. Those who are not affected have a TV is perfect as it is, and if you don't like the rule, move to another location. I find this type of view to be offputting.

Several of us who have been on this forum for several years have always stated, "TV may not be perfect but is as close as you are going to get".

No one and nothing in life is perfect, but one can strive to get one's position in life, as close as possible to perfection. Demanding perfection is something that will make a person sick.

Off my soapbox.

BTW - I am talking about a small percentage of single people and not all, of the populace.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by 2BNTV

Mike:

The guest passes are issued for people outside the 50 radius of TV. This stops everyone in TV, to not invite a non-resident to all of the facilities.


Off my soapbox.

BTW - I am talking about a small percentage of single people and not all, of the populace.

Where is it that you read this as policy on Guest ID Passes?
There is nothing in the ID Policy on the VCDD web site that talks about 50 miles
Here is the policy:
http://www.districtgov.org/departmen...D%20Policy.pdf

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by 2BNTV

Mike:

The guest passes are issued for people outside the 50 radius of TV. This stops everyone in TV, to not invite a non-resident to all of the facilities.

The friend is fictitious at the moment. I just wanted to have a single person have the same rights as marrieds, to bring someone who lives outside TV and within the 50 mile radius, to a special event, that married people already have the rights to. People who say "dems the rules", and "where does it stop" are going off on a tangent. IMHO

The single popular is being somewhat affected as the rule is saying in effect, "if you want to meet someone and take them to a event, you must meet a single person inside TV who is a resident, and and/or, a guest pass if they are renting or live with them.

A simple request for singles to have the same rights as marrieds, as we all pay the same amenity fees. By contrast, I am not asking married people to pay twice the amenity fee, because they use them, twice a much. I am also not saying that all people should obtain extra passes for their friends, who may live inside the 50 mile radius but outside TV. We all have paid for the priviledge of this elegant lifestyle.

I have to admit, I am getting amused by some of the responses especially from those that are not effected by this form of bias against the single population. Those who are not affected have a TV is perfect as it is, and if you don't like the rule, move to another location. I find this type of view to be offputting.

Several of us who have been on this forum for several years have always stated, "TV may not be perfect but is as close as you are going to get".

No one and nothing in life is perfect, but one can strive to get one's position in life, as close as possible to perfection. Demanding perfection is something that will make a person sick.

Off my soapbox.

BTW - I am talking about a small percentage of single people and not all, of the populace.

This rule about excluding people who live in Lake, Marian, or Sumter Counties was not in place when I moved to TV in 2000. It was added about a decade ago, as I recall, because of residents with friends or family in the area.

To people who say that you knew the rules when you moved here, I say that is not necessarily true since those rules can and are changed periodically by the developer.

A good example of this was during the 'for sale sign' debacle in 2012 when residents, who previously were allowed signs were now banned from having signs in their yards, even though their deed restriction (some signed years ago) said that signs are permitted.

Bottom line is the developer, who writes the deed restrictions, can and does change them.

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by Bonny

I have friends that get mad at restaurants when they offer the incentive of a free beer or a glass of wine with a meal.
They say they don't like beer or wine and they want a mixed drink !!
Then of course there are the ones that don't like the incentive at all because it encourages drinking !
It gets crazy. We all have choices ! We all have to read the rules. Then make the choice, go or don't go, buy or don't buy.
It's simple.
My parents would always say to me when I was growing up, "because those are the rules."

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by 2BNTV

Mike:

The guest passes are issued for people outside the 50 radius of TV. This stops everyone in TV, to not invite a non-resident to all of the facilities.

The friend is fictitious at the moment. I just wanted to have a single person have the same rights as marrieds, to bring someone who lives outside TV and within the 50 mile radius, to a special event, that married people already have the rights to. People who say "dems the rules", and "where does it stop" are going off on a tangent. IMHO

The single popular is being somewhat affected as the rule is saying in effect, "if you want to meet someone and take them to a event, you must meet a single person inside TV who is a resident, and and/or, a guest pass if they are renting or live with them.

A simple request for singles to have the same rights as marrieds, as we all pay the same amenity fees. By contrast, I am not asking married people to pay twice the amenity fee, because they use them, twice a much. I am also not saying that all people should obtain extra passes for their friends, who may live inside the 50 mile radius but outside TV. We all have paid for the priviledge of this elegant lifestyle.

I have to admit, I am getting amused by some of the responses especially from those that are not effected by this form of bias against the single population. Those who are not affected have a TV is perfect as it is, and if you don't like the rule, move to another location. I find this type of view to be offputting.

Several of us who have been on this forum for several years have always stated, "TV may not be perfect but is as close as you are going to get".

No one and nothing in life is perfect, but one can strive to get one's position in life, as close as possible to perfection. Demanding perfection is something that will make a person sick.

Off my soapbox.

BTW - I am talking about a small percentage of single people and not all, of the populace.

To your last comment, that's the big question. No one knows how many people we are talking about. In a community of 100K+, there must be a significant number of singles. Your recommendation, if approved, would make all of them eligible for an additional ID. That, to me, will be the big push back from the district. That, plus, the expectation that other groups will demand the same privilege. For example, what if there are two siblings sharing a home. They are single, and each wants an ID so they, like you, could bring a date to the pools, golf, rec centers, etc.? Will they be denied because the home already has two IDs?


Again, I am not unsympathetic to your situation. But my experience tells me your odds of success are poor. But I believe you should pursue it because it is important to you and others and see what happens.

[kittygilchrist]

Joe, agree with your last post. Sorry to see side taking based on couples being a majority, but in my view that is the REASON the rule exists that singles must subsidize amenities.

SOME responders on here....well, I am sad about it. Joe is not asking for an extra ID. He is asking to bring a date with him if he wants to date outside TV.

As I read the comments, some people on this thread demonstrate the twisted rationale of majority entitlement lording it over others, by using the following logic:

1. Singles pay twice the amount per person for amenities.

2. Snowbirds come in winter and use amenities only then, for which they pay year around.

3. There are too many snowbirds using "our" (full time couples) amenities.

4. If singles who date outside TV want permission for dates to use amenities, that will be even more people annoying us couples who are full time.

Therefore, in summary:

Singles should follow the rules and be quiet about it because they knew before they moved here what the rules were and if they don't like it they should move away. It may not be fair, but we like it unfair, because WE benefit.

And furthermore we wish all snowbirds, and especially those horrid locals would go away so we can have everything for ourselves.

[Fraugoofy]

You do not have to marry. My partner and I are both in the deed and we each get a Villages ID. She golfs more than I do and I pool lounge more than she does. We are both very happy in TV...even though right now it is only part-time!