[biker1]

"unfair", "biased", "discriminated" - these are all words that have been used in these posts. You essentially are asking for special treatment and are playing the role of a victim to try to justify it. I could be wrong but I don't believe that strategy will win you many supporters, nor will telling people they have "twisted rationals". Your assertion that "singles must subsidize amenities" is without merit. This thread should be mercifully killed.

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

Joe, agree with your last post. Sorry to see side taking based on couples being a majority, but in my view that is the REASON the rule exists that singles must subsidize amenities.

SOME responders on here....well, I am sad about it. Joe is not asking for an extra ID. He is asking to brong a date with him if he wants to date outside TV.

As I read the comments, some people on this thread demonstrate the twisted rationale of majority entitlement lording it over others, by using the following logic:

1. Singles pay twice the amount per person for amenities.

2. Snowbirds come in winter and use amenities only then, for which they pay year around.

3. There are too many snowbirds using "our" (full time couples) amenities.

4. If singles who date outside TV want permission for dates to use amenities, that will be even more people annoying us couples who are full time.

Therefore, in summary:

Singles should follow the rules and be quiet about it because they knew before they moved here what the rules were and if they don't like it they should move away. It may not be fair, but we like it unfair, because WE benefit.

And furthermore we wish snowbirds, and especially those horrid locals would go away so we can have everything for ourselves.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

Joe, agree with your last post. Sorry to see side taking based on couples being a majority, but in my view that is the REASON the rule exists that singles must subsidize amenities.
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Kitty - Don't the snowbirds subsidize the amenities for full-time married AND single residents?

[dbussone]

No. They pay their fair share for having homes here 12 months per year. And many of those homes are rented during various periods while they collect rent. We could all do the same but many choose not to.

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

Kitty - Don't the snowbirds subsidize the amenities for full-time married AND single residents?

Yes, that is part of my point. The thread has several comments that snowbirds are overwhelming TV, and therefore singles should not bring dates.....
Comments displaying no recognition of the fact that both singles and snowbird subsidize amenities.

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by biker1

Actually, there is a marriage penalty - two earners will generally pay more in total tax is they are married than if they are single. If you have a single earner in a marriage, the tax rate is lower than if they were single - essentially the Government gives you a tax break for a stay at home spouse raising children. The Government, has, does, and will continue to try to encourage certain behaviors through the tax code. If you are unhappy then you can work to enact change.

Here is A quote from the article cited in the link below about the so-called marriage penalty. The penalty is that couples can file as single if the two of you would pay more as a couple. Some penalty.


"When you marry, you have the option of filing your tax return jointly, or filing separate tax returns. The marriage penalty takes effect when the taxes you pay jointly exceed what you would have paid if each of you had remained single and filed as single filers."
How Much the Marriage Tax Penalty Will Cost You - US News

Singles subsidize marrieds in federal taxes. Thems the rules.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

Yes, that is part of my point. The thread has several comments that snowbirds are overwhelming TV, and therefore singles should not bring dates.....
Comments displaying no recognition of the fact that both singles and snowbird subsidize amenities.

Kitty - Aren't amenities charged to a property like a bond or a maintenance fee? Every house pays a fee for trash pick-up - no matter how many people live in the house. If single residents are allowed to bring a guest from within the tri-county area should a married also be able to bring a guest because their spouse is not mobile, is ill and maybe not living at home or just plain does not like to go out?

Maybe we should all attend this meeting - I think I am going to try to go:
[from our can't-be-named on-line paper]
"District Manger Janet Tutt will be the featured speaker tackling the topic, “Where Does Our Money Go? The Villages Fees” from 6:30 to 8:30 p.m. Thursday, Jan. 15 at Savannah Center.

"The event is sponsored by The Villages Homeowners Association North (Lady Lake-Lake County, Regions 1, 2, 3 and 4.)"

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

Kitty - Aren't amenities charged to a property like a bond or a maintenance fee? Every house pays a fee for trash pick-up - no matter how many people live in the house. If single residents are allowed to bring a guest from within the tri-county area should a married also be able to bring a guest because their spouse is not mobile, is ill and maybe not living at home or just plain does not like to go out?

Maybe we should all attend this meeting - I think I am going to try to go:
[from our can't-be-named on-line paper]
"District Manger Janet Tutt will be the featured speaker tackling the topic, “Where Does Our Money Go? The Villages Fees” from 6:30 to 8:30 p.m. Thursday, Jan. 15 at Savannah Center.

"The event is sponsored by The Villages Homeowners Association North (Lady Lake-Lake County, Regions 1, 2, 3 and 4.)"

I would not object to your suggestion at all, in fact I like it. What is the stingy hearted matter with some people? Thanks for the info on the meeting.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by dbussone

No. They pay their fair share for having homes here 12 months per year. And many of those homes are rented during various periods while they collect rent. We could all do the same but many choose not to.

"Fair share"? Of what? The house uses no amenities; if a house is rented and the renter wants to use the amenities - the renter pays for a pass to do so. If anything - snowbirds pay year-round to support a community in which they do not participate year-round. Sorta like paying taxes - I don't drive on any roads/bridges west of the Mississippi but my tax dollars go toward building and maintaining them!

[maybe]

"Wrong Joe! Why not my Grandkids, Why not my Ex Wife, why not my Aunts and Uncles, why not my girlfriends who my wife doesn't know about, and why not just anybody who you think should be exempt. Follow the rules like the rest of us do!"

Joe's request would allow a single house owner to have as his guest his grandkid, aunt, ex, mistress, whomever, even if they lived within the 3 counties. The limitation would be the quantity, i.e. one, not who they are. It would not even be a fully equal guest pass if it could only be used when accompanied by the resident, but that would be a reasonable compromise. The reality is that it probably won't happen until a lot of people start raising the issue BEFORE they buy a house here.

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by maybe

"Wrong Joe! Why not my Grandkids, Why not my Ex Wife, why not my Aunts and Uncles, why not my girlfriends who my wife doesn't know about, and why not just anybody who you think should be exempt. Follow the rules like the rest of us do!"

Joe's request would allow a single house owner to have as his guest his grandkid, aunt, ex, mistress, whomever, even if they lived within the 3 counties. The limitation would be the quantity, i.e. one, not who they are. It would not even be a fully equal guest pass if it could only be used when accompanied by the resident, but that would be a reasonable compromise. The reality is that it probably won't happen until a lot of people start raising the issue BEFORE they buy a house here.

There is already an allowance for guest pass for immediate relatives in tricounty, but not for mistresses...http://www.districtgov.org/departmen...D%20Policy.pdf

[Villager Dude]

I would not issue another ID Card but would flag the single resident's card that would permit the guest to use facilities afforded a resident as long as the guest would be with the resident.

This would avoid ID cards getting loss etc.

Do you think this would work ?

[IrisB52]

I agree with Rosygal and NjBchBum and believe the system should stay as it currently is.

If 2nd IDs are issued to non-residents and the relationship goes bust, there will be someone having access to facilities with no true vested interest in the place. If you bought your home here, you have a reason to keep the place top notch.

And as NjBchBum pointed out, snowbirds pay for 12 months of amenity fees even if they are here only for 3 months a year.

There are many (much older) residents who no longer use the athletic facilities but continue to live here because it is home and they pay the amenities fees. We all like to think that golf is free at TV, but the truth is, it is paid for by the amenity fee whether we golf or not. Believe it or not, I know some people here at TV who have NEVER golfed and don't plan on breaking their perfect record.

The IDs should remain for the homeowners/deed holders only.

[downeaster]

Has anyone done any thing constructive about this subject? Contacted the HOA, or the POA? How about the VCCD? The AAC? Janet Tutt? John Rohan? Mark Morse?

164 posts are not going to do anything towards making anything happen.

Will some one please post here when they have made a positive step towards a solution.

[biker1]

Wrong. The marriage penalty kicks in when two earners have close to the same income and are in the middle and upper marginal tax brackets. A married couple will pay more in taxes, combined, than if they were single. Married filing separately results in an even larger marriage penalty. It pays to be married if you have one earner or there is a large difference in earnings and you are in the lower marginal tax brackets. Those are the facts and singles do not subsidize married people.

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

Here is A quote from the article cited in the link below about the so-called marriage penalty. The penalty is that couples can file as single if the two of you would pay more as a couple. Some penalty.


"When you marry, you have the option of filing your tax return jointly, or filing separate tax returns. The marriage penalty takes effect when the taxes you pay jointly exceed what you would have paid if each of you had remained single and filed as single filers."
How Much the Marriage Tax Penalty Will Cost You - US News

Singles subsidize marrieds in federal taxes. Thems the rules.

[biker1]

There is no solution because there is no problem (besides some single people whining about how they have been done wrong by the big, bad married majority - haha ).

Originally Posted by downeaster

Has anyone done any thing constructive about this subject? Contacted the HOA, or the POA? How about the VCCD? The AAC? Janet Tutt? John Rohan? Mark Morse?

164 posts are not going to do anything towards making anything happen.

Will some one please post here when they have made a positive step towards a solution.