[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Mrfriendly

I have this vision of starting a new club named The Golden Coral Gunfight Club where people angry at one another can “Let’s take this outside” and take care of business. Just not in Hadley area rec centers. 😎

One interesting thing might be a quick draw contest set up by age range like 50 to 60 and etc. Not sure how the details would go in order to have complete safety.

[RiderOnTheStorm]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Excellent points.

One thing mentioned that I think deserves more discussion is the variance in carry permit classes, state-to-state and even within a state. My wife and I were one of the first to get our permits in Minnesota nearly 20 years ago now, and the qualification class was a two-day affair: the first morning was spent discussing firearms in general, intense classroom discussion on the applicable laws, what is and what is not permitted, etc. The second day included a morning of more discussion, then an afternoon at the range where each of us demonstrated proficiency in loading, proper holstering, firing no fewer than 50 rounds from varying distances--all the hands-on stuff that goes with a permit to carry. The class was taught by an ex-cop who really knew his stuff and made sure we not only learned it but could demonstrate the knowledge when it came to actually handling the firearm. Renewals, done every five years there, were much less comprehensive, though in fairness they WERE renewal classes. Still, I felt that more emphasis on the laws, the do's and don'ts, would have been warranted. That, and each of us were only required to fire ten rounds.

Here in Florida we obtained our permits via an instructor who really knew her stuff. The advantage was that it was a class of two people, my wife and myself, so we got a lot of individualized attention and were able to ask a lot of questions. We each fired about 30 rounds, again from varying distances, discussed various situations that we might encounter, etc.

I would really question any "instructor" who only required students to fire one round as one post indicated. Such a class may fulfill the letter of the law but what can you really gain from that? Not much, I'm afraid.

Excellent training requirements. BTW: In NY you do not need to fire a single round to obtain a CCP.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Wondering

Florida and some States are going back to the Wild, Wild West days of our country - pathetic when there are more guns in the US than people and more gun violence and deaths that any other industrialized country in the world. Shame on our politicians!

I definitely agree. I seem to remember the days before about 1970 when the NRA was a TRUE hunting magazine. Today the NRA is like a "soldiers of fortune" rabid militant organization. I stopped my membership when their magazine and emphasis became on MAN-KILLING weapons. I ALWAYS would shoot at a target with a BULLSEYE - I NEVER shot at a target with some nasty looking dude on it.........that is JUST SICK !!!!!!

[RiderOnTheStorm]

Originally Posted by Rolson08

So that more six-year-olds can find a gun in the nightstand and shoot themselves in the face, or a 3 year finds a gun under the car seat and shoots gramma in the back. Yup, until gun owners are held completely responsible for what happens with their guns, let's just declare "open season"!!

One of the ,most fundamental aspects of gun safety is control of the firearm, including placing it under lock and key when not being used. Responsible owners do not store them in the nightstand or under the carseat when children are around. Child-related firearm events are very, very rare, probably much less than children dying from ingesting carelessly stored narcotics, setting fires from available matches, or pouring kettles of steaming water on themselves, but they do get much more press. There is no such "open season". Respectfully, your argument might make more sense if not for the bellicose emotion.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JP

Until they get all the illegal guns out of the hands of criminals law abiding citizens deserve to carry.

That IS not very LOGICAL. It is like saying that IF there were TWO suns in the sky, we would NOT need to carry guns. There is no sense or LOGIC there!

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

The Florida legislature is even now considering "constitutional carry" (House Bill 543, Companion Senate Bill 150) for the state of Florida. Briefly stated, constitutional carry would allow any Floridian of legal age and not otherwise forbidden to own a firearm, to carry one in public without having to obtain a permit to do so. The current permitting system would remain in effect however for those who wish to access it, most probably because of reciprocity agreements between Florida and other states.

What many people don't realize is how common constitutional carry is in America. Fully half the states already allow it. Besides Florida, the states of Nebraska, South Carolina, and New Mexico are also considering going that route as well.

I confess to being of two minds on the issue. After all, it is called "Constitutional carry" for a reason. But merely OWNING a gun does not guarantee that the owner will be able to USE it in a lawful and safe manner. The current system in Florida does provide a way to assure that a permit holder has demonstrated at least a minimum knowledge of the law as well as showing he/she has basic skills in how to use a firearm in a self-defense situation.

Is this something we want to see come to The Villages?

This is insanity. Anyone who agrees to this is asking for trouble.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy

So, explain to me why it's safe to carry weapons anywhere, EXCEPT at an NRA Convention or certain political rallies? Why is that exactly?

Because when the NRA or political parties have a convention, they rent the facility where the event is to be held. The owner of the facility is the one that bans firearms, not the renters. In some instances it a city or county law that bans firearms in those buildings.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Again, "projection"...

They don't trust themselves with a firearm, so they don't trust anyone else...

I worked with a guy that didn't own a firearm and I asked him why. His answer, I would probably go crazy and start shooting people. He didn't think anyone else should own a gun as they probably would do the same. Now in his case it was definitely a good thing as he was quite the strange individual.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MrFlorida

So, most of you would rather only criminals have guns?

I would rather the gun manufacturers could only sell (by law) SINGLE-SHOT rifles, pistols, and shotguns to the PUBLIC. The military would have the automatics. And this would NOT be a problem because the ordinary citizens with the SINGLE-SHOT weapons would be able to outnumber the military so that just the repeater or non-repeater would NOT make any difference. Now the military would deploy tanks, but ordinary people could just hide their SINGLE-SHOT weapons and blend in with all the other people. The military could NOT just shoot every non-military person.
.........I state this because the people that would be against SINGLE-SHOTS would argue (incorrectly) that single-shot weapons would ENCOURAGE a military take over........I don't think so!
........This may seem RADICAL to some gun owners, but the NRA has been PREACHING for 50 years that, "It takes a GOOD guy with a GUN to neutralize a BAD guy with a GUN". Well by NOW the NRA should be made to "put-up or shut-up". Obviously, they just have that slogan to SELL MORE GUNS..........because gun violence in the US is about 20 times greater than in European countries. And it IS increasing and shows ZERO signs of stopping.
.........So, my solution MAY seem RADICAL, but at least, it IS a SOLUTION.
..........And banning military-style weapons will do ZERO because ANY semi-auto can be "accessorized" like Barby doll. So, the ONLY solution is to BAN semi-auto CIVILIAN purchases and do what I suggest or do NOTHING.......like for the last 50 years
..........Remember, Australia banned semi-auto rifles and their mass-murders went to nearly ZERO. And yes, my solution IS even more RADICAL than Australia's. But, US citizens are DYING from semi-auto guns and they will be dying at a greater RATE in the future.

[Daxdog]

Originally Posted by Pballer

The per capita murder rate of NYC itself is much lower than that of these 3 states and barely above Florida as a whole. Sorry it doesn't fit your narrative.

Come on, Chicago and Detroit have more shootings then the entire state of Fl.

[Boston-Sean]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I would rather the gun manufacturers could only sell (by law) SINGLE-SHOT rifles, pistols, and shotguns to the PUBLIC. The military would have the automatics. And this would NOT be a problem because the ordinary citizens with the SINGLE-SHOT weapons would be able to outnumber the military so that just the repeater or non-repeater would NOT make any difference. Now the military would deploy tanks, but ordinary people could just hide their SINGLE-SHOT weapons and blend in with all the other people. The military could NOT just shoot every non-military person.
.........I state this because the people that would be against SINGLE-SHOTS would argue (incorrectly) that single-shot weapons would ENCOURAGE a military take over........I don't think so!
........This may seem RADICAL to some gun owners, but the NRA has been PREACHING for 50 years that, "It takes a GOOD guy with a GUN to neutralize a BAD guy with a GUN". Well by NOW the NRA should be made to "put-up or shut-up". Obviously, they just have that slogan to SELL MORE GUNS..........because gun violence in the US is about 20 times greater than in European countries. And it IS increasing and shows ZERO signs of stopping.
.........So, my solution MAY seem RADICAL, but at least, it IS a SOLUTION.
..........And banning military-style weapons will do ZERO because ANY semi-auto can be "accessorized" like Barby doll. So, the ONLY solution is to BAN semi-auto CIVILIAN purchases and do what I suggest or do NOTHING.......like for the last 50 years
..........Remember, Australia banned semi-auto rifles and their mass-murders went to nearly ZERO. And yes, my solution IS even more RADICAL than Australia's. But, US citizens are DYING from semi-auto guns and they will be dying at a greater RATE in the future.

Anyone who has the dude blocked is missing out on some funny stuff.

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by Boston-Sean

Anyone who has the dude blocked is missing out on some funny stuff.

Unfortunately even though we have him blocked, every time someone quotes him we still have to see his nonsense.

[wisbad1]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

That piece of paper isn’t going to mean squat if you’re involved in a shooting - justified or not.

You can’t carry (constitutional or not) if you’re a prohibited processor, you can’t buy a gun, you need to pass a background check to buy. It’s illegal to POSSESS.
If you lend your gun to a prohibited processor - you’re in deep doo doo as well - and if you don’t know if the person you are lending your gun to is a PP - don’t lend it - better yet, NEVER lend your gun.

No matter what - IT’S ILLEGAL TO KILL SOMEONE, no matter if there’s constitutional carry or not

Can’t shoot someone but a abortion is legal, makes you wonder.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Wondering

Florida and some States are going back to the Wild, Wild West days of our country - pathetic when there are more guns in the US than people and more gun violence and deaths that any other industrialized country in the world. Shame on our politicians!

Nonsense... The "Wild West" was just a figment of the Dime Store Novelists and Hollywood...

Remove suicides and justifiable homicides and how many "gun deaths" do you think we have?

Japan has a similar suicide rate as the US. They just prefer to jump out of buildings...

Remove just 5 cities in the US and our "gun violence and death rate" is one of the lowest in the world...

[Hardlyworking]

Originally Posted by Boston-Sean

Anyone who has the dude blocked is missing out on some funny stuff.

Funny stuff, but to me, not funny ha-ha. Funny weird.