[GoPacers]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

Well, then you would know that many health care workers choose not to be vaccinated and they are now being forced to through mandates in various states. They obviously don't think the vaccines are so wonderful, right?

They always have the option/right to find another job. It's really that simple.

Just because someone works in healthcare doesn't mean they understand healthcare, virology or science.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

It is TRUE that for an INDIVIDUAL that treatment could be a lifesaver. However, for the GREATER problem of society overcoming this Pandemic, those treatments will NOT stop the SPREAD. For society, it will be just a "drop in the bucket"!

I’m unaware of anything that will stop the spread currently. I’m running into so many vaccinated people with breakthrough covid who spread it to their partners that I’m not convinced anything now offered will stop the spread.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I can't know exactly what is in their mind. But, I can guess that they think that they NEED it for PREVENTION of CV - in lieu of another free PREVENTION that MORE people are taking called a CV vaccination shot. How the Health Care and Medical Science in the US has gotten so twisted and turned around 180 degrees on itself, I don't know. Someone may write a book about that? I think that some people think that it is free and like insurance and they have the time - so, why NOT? They might also be psychologically seeking attention for attention's sake. The CDC's rules seem stricter than Florida's rules. So, I wonder what would happen if some lawyer sued Florida over this? Is it good for society and economics to hand out treatments like candy when we have a known PREVENTION in the form of CV vaccines? I KNOW that the treatments are GREAT for those that REALLY need them, but there must be some downsides to administrating treatments to those that just FEEL that they WANT them?

There is no way to fully prevent covid at this point. Unfortunately, breakthrough is alive and well and now they’re considering 5 month boosters. This virus isn’t going anywhere for a long while even with full vaccination at this time.

[biker1]

Do you have any evidence that people who do not need the antibody treatment are getting it? If so, what percentage of the treatments are unwarranted? Do you have any evidence that people are getting the antibody treatment instead of one of the available vaccines? If so, what percentage of the treatments are instead of the vaccine? If you do have the data then please present it. Speculating on what people may or may not be doing is useless. Oh, and by the way, the vaccines do not prevent you from becoming infected - there is a significant number of breakthrough cases and no vaccine is 100% effective. You should not be using the word "prevention" - the connotation is one of absolute effectiveness. They are effective, however, at significantly reducing the probability of hospitalization and death.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I can't know exactly what is in their mind. But, I can guess that they think that they NEED it for PREVENTION of CV - in lieu of another free PREVENTION that MORE people are taking called a CV vaccination shot. How the Health Care and Medical Science in the US has gotten so twisted and turned around 180 degrees on itself, I don't know. Someone may write a book about that? I think that some people think that it is free and like insurance and they have the time - so, why NOT? They might also be psychologically seeking attention for attention's sake. The CDC's rules seem stricter than Florida's rules. So, I wonder what would happen if some lawyer sued Florida over this? Is it good for society and economics to hand out treatments like candy when we have a known PREVENTION in the form of CV vaccines? I KNOW that the treatments are GREAT for those that REALLY need them, but there must be some downsides to administrating treatments to those that just FEEL that they WANT them?

[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by GoPacers

They always have the option/right to find another job. It's really that simple.

Just because someone works in healthcare doesn't mean they understand healthcare, virology or science.

That's not a job, it's their profession. there's a difference. The person I replied to ascribed otherworldly qualities to them and called them "angels" and then made it seem as if they belonged to a victim group we have to feel sorry for. So if you're right, and it's just a "job", then if they feel stressed or overworked then they should quit.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

Well, then you would know that many health care workers choose not to be vaccinated and they are now being forced to through mandates in various states. They obviously don't think the vaccines are so wonderful, right?

I don't know what those health care workers are thinking to be honest. They should be aware that the vaccine keeps people out of the hospital. Are they worrying about job security? (That was snide, sorry).

Seriously, those health care workers who still refuse the vaccine after dealing with the amount of death and dying from Covid only makes me think they have a screw loose (or two).

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by biker1

I think we can safely assume that this forum is primarily, perhaps overwhelmingly, read by people who live in The Villages. Over 90% of those have been fully vaccinated, as per the CDC. If you wish to expand the readership to Sumter County then the percentage fully vaccinated is nearly 80%. The ones who haven't been vaccinated either have some specific health issue that precludes vaccination or they have decided that the cons outweigh the pros. If you are of typical age in The Villages, I believe the pros outweigh the cons, by a large margin, but it is their decision. It is the height of hubris to assume that you will "reach those people" or that it is your role in life to "reach those people" in The Villages. If you want to provide some new facts then that is fine but repeatedly make the same statements over and over again serves no purpose. You do not have the domain expertise that would mark you as someone to pay attention to.

I repeat, and repeat, and repeat, and repeat what is being said by the experts. I don't make this stuff up, honestly. Are our experts supposed to stop getting the word out? I surely hope not.

This is a pandemic of the un-vaccinated! There, I said it again.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by GoPacers

They always have the option/right to find another job. It's really that simple.

Just because someone works in healthcare doesn't mean they understand healthcare, virology or science.

Is it possible, many of these "health care workers" are not professional nurses or doctors? Of course it is. Many of these "health care workers" are nurse's aides and technicians of many sorts. They do not have the education of a professional.

IN MY HUMBLE OPINION OF COURSE!

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I repeat, and repeat, and repeat, and repeat what is being said by the experts. I don't make this stuff up, honestly. Are our experts supposed to stop getting the word out? I surely hope not.

This is a pandemic of the un-vaccinated! There, I said it again.

I wish the people I know who got covid recently, even though they were totally vaccinated, passed it to other people who were also vaccinated, would have this information. Don’t they know that just can’t be?

And for the next question, they are in their early fifties and yes, they were sick. It wasn’t just a case of the sniffles.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Aces4

I wish the people I know who got covid recently, even though they were totally vaccinated, passed it to other people who were also vaccinated, would have this information. Don’t they know that just can’t be?

And for the next question, they are in their early fifties and yes, they were sick. It wasn’t just a case of the sniffles.

I'm sure there are vaccinated people who get COVID, but you cannot prove that they "passed in on to other vaccinated people". Maybe they did, maybe they didn't.

But over 90% of the hospitalized and 98% of the deaths are among the UNvaccinated, so I agree with the bean of the coffee

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I still do not understand why people will opt for a treatment that has EUA rather than the Pfizer vaccine that has full FDA approval at this point in time. What is the rationale?

Facebook, dark media, culture, religion, tribal thinking, leadership, rural v city life, racism, propaganda-both external and internal, and multiple other factors. The fabric of America as a cohesive society is torn and fraying as we speak. The big question is will the future be better or worse?????

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I'm sure there are vaccinated people who get COVID, but you cannot prove that they "passed in on to other vaccinated people". Maybe they did, maybe they didn't.

But over 90% of the hospitalized and 98% of the deaths are among the UNvaccinated, so I agree with the bean of the coffee

When is strikes the female spouse, who tested negative first test, and then is acquired by her partner, I would say those two vaccinated people were just coincidences? She is recovered but a nagging cough still plagues her and her sense of taste has not recovered. He is still fighting it and I was told of this case yesterday at an outdoor family event.

How can the bean of the coffee state, “it’s the pandemic of the unvaccinated”?

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Facebook, dark media, culture, religion, tribal thinking, leadership, rural v city life, racism, propaganda-both external and internal, and multiple other factors. The fabric of America as a cohesive society is torn and fraying as we speak. The big question is will the future be better or worse?????

That’s quite a list and you have determined yourself to be superior to those people and items you listed, talked about fraying the fabric of America.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Aces4

When is strikes the female spouse, who tested negative first test, and then is acquired by her partner, I would say those two vaccinated people were just coincidences? She is recovered but a nagging cough still plagues her and her sense of taste has not recovered. He is still fighting it and I was told of this case yesterday at an outdoor family event.

How can the bean of the coffee state, “it’s the pandemic of the unvaccinated”?

Because, once again (and again and again and....)over 90% of the hospitalized and 98% of the deaths are among the UNvaccinated

Yes, SOME vaccinated people also get it, also are hospitalized and also die, but they are a small minority. Nothing is 100% effective,

[jswirs]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I repeat, and repeat, and repeat, and repeat what is being said by the experts. I don't make this stuff up, honestly. Are our experts supposed to stop getting the word out? I surely hope not.

This is a pandemic of the un-vaccinated! There, I said it again.

Wow! More than just one person here needs to take a CHILL PILL!

All this fear and worry solves nothing, in fact, it is counter-productive to your health.

IMHO, all you folks that are so concerned need to get on with your life, as best as you can, because I very much doubt that anyone is going to change their minds regarding how to handle Covid, and, Covid will be around us for quite some time. In the words of Paul McCartney, "LET IT BE" There I said it again.