[gorillarick]

Originally Posted by gbs317

I’m all for you driving the speed limit or a little slower in the right lane. That is what it’s for. Those that drive slower in the left are just causing problems. If someone needs to pass you and your in the right side then that’s their job to safely pass you on the left.

In Florida, it is legal to pass on either side when 2 lanes in one direction. Just go around.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by gorillarick

In Florida, it is legal to pass on either side when 2 lanes in one direction. Just go around.

Florida says you *may* pass on the right (316.084). Florida also says you *must* move out of the leftmost lane if a faster vehicle is approaching from the rear (316.081(3)).

(EDIT: Better now?)

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

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Yes. Thanks!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Randall55

I have been driving the roundabouts for years. I can't remember even ONE TIME that someone cut me off. I try to visualize how this happens to others and I am at a loss. I'm not going to argue. I was just trying to see it from another perspective. Impossible to do when you did not witness the alleged cutting off.

First of all, I'll admit that I am NOT a fan of roundabouts. I would like to read somewhere that a study was done that PROVES they are SAFER than red lights? 2nd - do they move traffic faster than red lights? 3rd - do they have FEWER accidents than red lights? 4th - do they cost less than red lights. And finally, just for my personal information - why put so many flowers on the roundabouts that need to be changed out 2 or 4 times per year? Why not have Florida tough plants that are NOT so big that they interfere with seeing the traffic ahead. And finally, why NOT TRY one lane roundabouts in lower traffic areas.
.......So, since a different perspective was ask for - I think that I tried to provide that.

[Davonu]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

First of all, I'll admit that I am NOT a fan of roundabouts. I would like to read somewhere that a study was done that PROVES they are SAFER than red lights? 2nd - do they move traffic faster than red lights? 3rd - do they have FEWER accidents than red lights? 4th - do they cost less than red lights.

I was a Professional Engineer for 30 years with a Masters Degree in Transportation Engineering specializing in Traffic Control…

Roundabouts are:
1st & 3rd - definitely safer;
2nd - definitely more traffic efficient;
4th - definitely more cost efficient.

[gorillarick]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Florida says you *may* pass on the right (316.084). Florida also says you *must* move out of the leftmost lane if a faster vehicle is approaching from the rear (316.081(3)).

(EDIT: Better now?)

OK Bill, good research on left lane. From now on, I'll put my left turn signal ON when I see someone approaching me from behind at over twice the speed limit. sarc
In racing you are trained and required to hold your line. Good reason: Imagine at LeMans when the GT40s were doing over 200, coming up on a Sprite doing less than 100. Holding the line is predictable.

The person that approached me at 80+ when I was in a 45mph zone on 466, should have just gone around; it was completely clear to the right. But the person was already in Road Rage; I have no doubt.

But I wonder why you feel the need to speed all the time, , , and act obnoxious doing so. . . There's a chapter in the Mature Driving Course about how we no longer have the vision (including peripheral), perception, nor capable of making split second decisions as we did in our 20s. I'm a senior; my friends still say I'm sharp as a tack. But when I go to track days, I know differently. Maybe you should give it a try.
No, I don't need to speed down Morse and Buena Vista at twice the speed limit to prove anything to anyone, including myself. Nor, drive down the main gated roads like Pinellas, Bailey Trail, Stillwater, Odell, , , at 50 and 60.
I know life is fragile, one wrong move at those speeds and you could kill someone.
Have you thought about where your next stop in life is? I'm in no hurry to get there. I'm enjoying the scenery, and taking time to smell the roses.

nuff said

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Not surprised, I'm sad to say.

Cause villagers are majority of population.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Randall55

I am going to get quite a bit of argument over this...here goes! If you are travelling straight thru a roundabout, it does not give you the right of way. If two vehicles enter the roundabout at the same time, the driver to the right GOES FIRST. They are not cutting in front if you. You are meant to reduce your speed and allow the other driver to enter. You do not fly thru the circle without any concern for vehicles on the side exits. Yes! Roundabouts are meant to keep traffic flowing. FOR ALL VEHICLES. Not merely those who are travelling straight thru. Slow down and yield are the rules.

Wrong the driver on right has to exit at first or second (straight through exit) so there would be no cutting through, unless the m——- don’t know was in wrong lane to go to 3rd exit. Another thing vehicle entering at the first exit HAS to yield to vehicles IN the roundabout so they should not be in roundabout at all.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Davonu

I was a Professional Engineer for 30 years with a Masters Degree in Transportation Engineering specializing in Traffic Control…

Roundabouts are:
1st & 3rd - definitely safer;
2nd - definitely more traffic efficient;
4th - definitely more cost efficient.

OK thanks. I will take your word for that. I appreciate your expertise!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Davonu

I was a Professional Engineer for 30 years with a Masters Degree in Transportation Engineering specializing in Traffic Control…

Roundabouts are:
1st & 3rd - definitely safer;
2nd - definitely more traffic efficient;
4th - definitely more cost efficient.

OK, that brings up one more question - Clearwater and many Scandinavian countries have roundabouts with only ONE lane. How does one lane vs 2 lanes compare for accidents and other aspects?

[Normal]

Originally Posted by Davonu

I was a Professional Engineer for 30 years with a Masters Degree in Transportation Engineering specializing in Traffic Control…

Roundabouts are:
1st & 3rd - definitely safer;
2nd - definitely more traffic efficient;
4th - definitely more cost efficient.

I wonder what they would do for the aweful traffic congestion on 27 441 up in the northern Villages? Right now it’s best to avoid the area like the plague.

[kendi]

Originally Posted by Michael G.

Unless an accident already happened, then their all over blocking traffic.
Yep, been here 8 years and seen only on traffic stop and that was a 18 wheeler.

We’ve been seeing cops pulling over cars a lot South of 44. Especially on Warm Springs.

[Hank’s mom]

Originally Posted by Jdasta

Everyday now when I leave the house I say a little prayer for a safe trip. Yesterday, three near collisions. A car making a left turn right in front of my car on 301–this happens frequently. But this time the driver almost caused an accident—he was that close! Another was a car entering a turnaround with my car right in front of hers! She stopped just in the nick of time. Another time was again on 301–a driver weaving in and out of traffic. He almost collided with my car when cutting into my lane.
Then there was the driver of a red Toyota Rav 4 who sped right through a turnaround without even slowing down, as if the turnaround did not exist.
We moved here 3 years ago.I enjoyed driving then. What has happened?

I seriously don't know what has happened. I have never seen anything like it!!! I feel like the only safe way to travel is by cart or early. Like going to church this morning it was fun, but yesterday at 1:00, people stopped their cars (happened twice) while they were in the turn abouts and waved me on to go!! I just shook my head!

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

First of all, I'll admit that I am NOT a fan of roundabouts. I would like to read somewhere that a study was done that PROVES they are SAFER than red lights? 2nd - do they move traffic faster than red lights? 3rd - do they have FEWER accidents than red lights? 4th - do they cost less than red lights. And finally, just for my personal information - why put so many flowers on the roundabouts that need to be changed out 2 or 4 times per year? Why not have Florida tough plants that are NOT so big that they interfere with seeing the traffic ahead. And finally, why NOT TRY one lane roundabouts in lower traffic areas.
.......So, since a different perspective was ask for - I think that I tried to provide that.

Apparently roundabouts do have their positives: they are demonstrably safer as both serious injuries and deaths at intersections decreased when they were implemented, but we surely did seem to be in a rush to implement them. In Minnesota it was about 20-odd years ago that installation began, with very little forethought: apparently the rush had something to do with claiming federal dollars. It SNOWS in Minnesota. Often very heavily. And when some of the first roundabouts went in, it was learned the following winter that the roundabouts were built so tightly that the plowing equipment needed to clear the snow off them was in many cases just too big. Didn't read too much about it but some of the planners had some egg on their face over that particular faux pas.

[Davonu]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

OK, that brings up one more question - Clearwater and many Scandinavian countries have roundabouts with only ONE lane. How does one lane vs 2 lanes compare for accidents and other aspects?

The specific design of roundabouts is based largely on the nature of the approaching roadways. When properly designed, safety and efficiency are superior to signalized or signed intersections regardless of the number of lanes.

That being said, there are some road and traffic situations where a roundabout is not the proper intersection design.