[mac9]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

Was it a twirlers baton? No offense to the Village Twillers cuz I think you all are great...just wondering what type of baton it was.

The stick that police carry (often called a billy club) is a baton.

[DougB]

Originally Posted by Villageshooter

the real world is here,, they have landed,,, how sad,,, that viagria will make a guy do weird things

Tried Viagra once, it got caught in my throat. I've had a stiff neck ever since!

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by Villageshooter

i am wondering ,,,, this man has been accused of a crime ,, he is innocent until proven guilty!! while i admit it looks bad however if this defendant was a danger he wuld not have been released! let the system do its job! just think what ur doing to this man! before he has his day in court. he has NOT been found guilty, yet! i am No way condonig this behavior. just because you arrested does not mean u are guilty!

Don't confuse the presumption of innocence in a court of law with actually knowing that an assault occurred based upon eyewitness accounts.

And don't think that someone can be refused bail from jail just because they are potentially dangerous.

e-flyer makes a good point: "Good thing his victim wasn't carrying a gun, it could have been a very different ending for the attacker. Millions in Florida have concealed carry permits, including folks here in TV. I would think twice before confronting/attacking someone. Best to call 911 if you have a legitimate problem."

I never respond to angry drivers who yell or gesture because they might be mentally unbalanced, armed, or both. Although I might prevail in a subsequent confrontation, it wouldn't be worth the trouble.

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Never pick a fight with an old guy. He knows he can't whip you so he has to shoot you.

[TheVillageChicken]

In his mugshot, the accused's right eye looks like it didn't all go his way. I know, I know....there are plenty of explanations for the black eye. Who hasn't bumped into a door knob, or had to interrupt putting on their make up to vent some rage.

[Indydealmaker]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

Was it a twirlers baton? No offense to the Village Twillers cuz I think you all are great...just wondering what type of baton it was.

One type of baton is a telescoping steel rod with a rubber handle on one end and a hard rubber or metal tip on the other. A flick of the wrist will extend the baton to its full length, usually less than 24 inches. This thing can do some damage if you know how to use: break a knee, nose; crush a windpipe; crack a skull; strangle, etc.

Florida considers a baton to be a weapon and if concealed requires a concealed weapons permit. It can be carried in your car for self defense without a permit. It does not have to be kept locked up and can be kept at ready.

[graciegirl]

Just two of you know how to get pictures to look THAT big on this forum, Chicken.

[TheVillageChicken]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Just two of you know how to get pictures to look THAT big on this forum, Chicken.

Please, use my first name, "The."

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by TheVillageChicken

Please, use my first name, "The."

The Chicken who writes ads and posts big pictures..

[kittygilchrist]

I wanted to have Publix rage today. mea culpa. no sympathy for the attacker in this story but it's me venting here to say a lot of people are in their own bubble inside our big bubble and totally unaware that anybody else would like to get past them while they chat casually taking up the whole aisle and I'm trying to buy a can of beans.
Not even saying excuse me twice loudly was of any use. ??

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by mac9

The stick that police carry (often called a billy club) is a baton.

One of the first importers of expandable police batons was ASP (Armament Systems and Procedures, Inc.) and for years we did not refer to them as batons, but as ASPs.

In the police Use Of Force Matrix they are considered to be deadly force. In our training, and as a matter of policy, where I served as a deputy sheriff we were forbidden to ever strike someone in the head with a baton.

The primary targets were the knee, causing the opponent to fall, the elbow, disabling the arm, or the collarbone. A broken collarbone renders the arm on that side useless.

They were also very effective for breaking side or rear windows of locked cars if necessary to rescue confined passengers.

An ASP, collapsed and expanded, is pictured below.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa

One of the first importers of expandable police batons was ASP (Armament Systems and Procedures, Inc.) and for years we did not refer to them as batons, but as ASPs.

In the police Use Of Force Matrix they are considered to be deadly force. In our training, and as a matter of policy, where I served as a deputy sheriff we were forbidden to ever strike someone in the head with a baton.

The primary targets were the knee, causing the opponent to fall, the elbow, disabling the arm, or the collarbone. A broken collarbone renders the arm on that side useless.

They were also very effective for breaking side or rear windows of locked cars if necessary to rescue confined passengers.

An ASP, collapsed and expanded, is pictured below.

Wonder how and WHY this guy had a baton?

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by Villageshooter

the real world is here,, they have landed,,, how sad,,, that viagria will make a guy do weird things

Confucius say man who use Viagra before committing crime deserve stiff sentence!

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Wonder how this guy had a baton?

You can buy them on the Internet.

I could have kept mine when I retired, but chose not to.

Ownership is not regulated, but possession may be, on a state by state basis.

[redwitch]

Originally Posted by Happinow

He obviously did something wrong because he was arrested. I can't imagine how scared the people were in the car that he attacked. He is already guilty. It's just a matter of how much time he spends behind bars. If I were the victim, I would certainly press charges. There's no excuse for this type of behavior. And yes, let the justice system do its job.

Innocent people get arrested all the time. Some even get tried and convicted.

In this case, there is little doubt of guilt and let's remember this turned himself in and stated he had no idea why he acted the way he did. It could have been a reaction to a prescribed medication; it could have been a reaction to an illegal drug (including steroids); it could be the beginning stages of Alzheimers or dementia. We don't know.

I agree that people should take responsibility for their actions but there can be mitigating circumstances. I get the feeling that something triggered this man and it's not just a simple case of unrestrained anger. It just doesn't sound like it from the news report.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by redwitch

Innocent people get arrested all the time. Some even get tried and convicted.

In this case, there is little doubt of guilt and let's remember this turned himself in and stated he had no idea why he acted the way he did. It could have been a reaction to a prescribed medication; it could have been a reaction to an illegal drug (including steroids); it could be the beginning stages of Alzheimers or dementia. We don't know.

I agree that people should take responsibility for their actions but there can be mitigating circumstances. I get the feeling that something triggered this man and it's not just a simple case of unrestrained anger. It just doesn't sound like it from the news report.

Please stop saying things like that Red. I just want to be mad at him.