[Swoop]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

It IS difficult to transmit CV outdoors if you are biking or walking in a group of vaccinated people. I was talking about sneezes and collisions. I wrote about my desire to STAY away from the personalities of anyone that might CHOOSE to be unvaccinated. That is NOT too hard to understand!

Do you really believe that if you collide with someone who has the virus, they will transmit it to you?!? So much for “follow the science”...

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Do you really believe that if you collide with someone who has the virus, they will transmit it to you?!? So much for “follow the science”...

Collisions could occur with people having their faces close together and they are breathing out very vigorously. They would pass droplets with CV swimming in them into each other's nose and mouth. I can't explain it any more graphically. Yes, unvaccinated players could spread it to other unvaccinated players - easily! And sneezes can spray droplets for as much as 20 feet. There are videos of this online. The unvaccinated spread could cost society in terms of clogging up hospitals - and new variants could become stronger. And CV could NEVER be beaten and brought down close to zero. That could cost society a lot - and just because unvaccinated pickleball players want to play together with vaccinated players. In my opinion, the reward does NOT come close to balancing out the RISK!

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Collisions could occur with people having their faces close together and they are breathing out very vigorously. They would pass droplets with CV swimming in them into each other's nose and mouth. I can't explain it any more graphically. Yes, unvaccinated players could spread it to other unvaccinated players - easily! And sneezes can spray droplets for as much as 20 feet. There are videos of this online. The unvaccinated spread could cost society in terms of clogging up hospitals - and new variants could become stronger. And CV could NEVER be beaten and brought down close to zero. That could cost society a lot - and just because unvaccinated pickleball players want to play together with vaccinated players. In my opinion, the reward does NOT come close to balancing out the RISK!

I play water volleyball 12+ hours a week. Prior to the vaccine becoming available, multiple times I played with someone who tested positive shortly after playing. We bang into each other constantly. Our opponents are a few feet away separated only by a net. When we block we are side to side and our opponents are face to face with us. The first time we had someone test positive we all got tested. All were negative. After that some were tested. Again all negative. At this point we have all come to the realization that spreading the virus in the pool under those conditions is virtually impossible. But you should continue to stay home to stay safe, because the chances that everyone around you has been vaccinated are slim...

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by donassaid

It should never have been shut down to begin with. Did you not hear the latest from CDC? The virus cannot be passed from contact with inanimate objects.

Then why do they clean their balls before use ???

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by EdFNJ

Then why do they clean their balls before use ???

For the same reason they imposed one way isles in grocery stores - good optics...

[Brownmoose13]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

A lot of anti-vaxxers always speak up on this forum. How would I know who was an anti-vaxxer so that I could avoid being on a court with them and banging into them? If you KNOW someone, then you can trust them enough to give you an honest answer when you ask them "if they have been vaccinated?" When you play doubles pickleball, tennis, volleyball, water volleyball, or basketball, you have a good chance of banging into someone. I will not be comfortable with that in any sports situation unless I knew everyone was vaccinated. Maybe someday CV cases will drop close enough to zero that I would re-evaluate my position? However, now cases in Florida are increasing or staying the same, NOT decreasing.

Also, I am not interested in socializing on or off-court with people that have an anti-vaxxer attitude and disregard science, and would treat human life so casually. I doubt that I would lose anything by crossing them off my social calendar. We just would have so little in common that it would not be worthwhile. I would even feel better if the anti-vaxxers formed some sort of club and kept to themselves for social activities. I see it as even unfair that they would want to circulate among the vaccinated crowd. They chose their anti-social position - now why would they expect complete and pre-Covid acceptance? Also, we are STILL a long way from putting this Pandemic behind us. You can't WILL that away just for the chance to play a pickleball game. I would be glad to return to NORMAL when normal is finally restored.

Not that it matters to anyone but I am not an anti vaccine as I have had both shots. My point is that anyone can get Covid from either friends, family, or strangers and the time has come for this country to start getting back to normal. The country is in sad enough shape as it is but if schools do not totally reopen this fall the education system is doomed.
As far as listening to science, which science are we to believe? If we want to slow the virus, somebody shut Faucci up. I think every morning he gets up, wets his finger, sticks it in the air, decides which way the wind is blowing and then comments.
For those that wish to stay under their bed until Father Faucci gives his okay to come out so be it. For me I do not report to Faucci.
Also, I would like to know how you and others are able to get your friends to report their every daily movement and who they come in contact with. Based on claims by some, if I were asked to report it my answer would be...its none of your business!!

[Pat2015]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

What if you bang into a player and the 2 of you are face to face and breathing out hard? What then? If both are unvaccinated - then you have spread? What if one of you sneezes and can't cover it up quickly?

To suggest something positive - how about for all open play situations that everyone gets their temperature checked? That would help cut down the chances of CV spread.

And who would be taking temperatures? I think that anyone who is that concerned at this point in time should refrain from playing anything. It’s been more than a year and if someone still doesn’t want to play as they don’t feel safe, then they should just stay home.

[Pat2015]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

It IS difficult to transmit CV outdoors if you are biking or walking in a group of vaccinated people. I was talking about sneezes and collisions. I wrote about my desire to STAY away from the personalities of anyone that might CHOOSE to be unvaccinated. That is NOT too hard to understand!

If you don’t feel safe around people that you don’t know then you shouldn’t interact with anyone outside of your circle of friends. Problem solved!

[Spsmith444]

I don’t think it is appropriate to ask if someone has been vaccinated. I decided to and my wife not. We play OUTDOOR Pickelball with no concerns. We r both very healthy but have different opinions and totally respect our differing opinions. I am put off by the shaming that is going on. We live with faith not fear however we do follow cdc guidelines.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Do you really believe that if you collide with someone who has the virus, they will transmit it to you?!? So much for “follow the science”...

Exactly, it takes 10-15 min of direct exposure to acheive enough innoculum to induce infection.

Indoors with a lot of talking is where there is significant risk.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

Are there still safety measures being taken in pickleball? If you go to open pickleball, is there hand sanitizer available? Do players bring their own? Are balls wiped regularly? Other? Or has pickleball moved beyond that?

I want to have an idea what to expect when I start playing again.

Thanks.

If vaccinated real world data says risk is less than the flu, you have no worries.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...400-post4.html

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

What if you bang into a player and the 2 of you are face to face and breathing out hard? What then? If both are unvaccinated - then you have spread? What if one of you sneezes and can't cover it up quickly?

To suggest something positive - how about for all open play situations that everyone gets their temperature checked? That would help cut down the chances of CV spread.

that sounds a bit extreme, imo. too many villagers are living in fear that they cannot control the actions of others. it is truly, what it is

[bpascani]

I haven't started back playing with the open groups or taking the classes. I am playing with the closed group that I am a part of. The courts now have the benches back out, the balls, and also provide the spray to sanitize the balls after each game. I can't remember about the water, as I always took my own anyway.

[Bay Kid]

Maybe we should have PB times for those vaccinated and those not? Easy solution.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

I play water volleyball 12+ hours a week. Prior to the vaccine becoming available, multiple times I played with someone who tested positive shortly after playing. We bang into each other constantly. Our opponents are a few feet away separated only by a net. When we block we are side to side and our opponents are face to face with us. The first time we had someone test positive we all got tested. All were negative. After that some were tested. Again all negative. At this point we have all come to the realization that spreading the virus in the pool under those conditions is virtually impossible. But you should continue to stay home to stay safe, because the chances that everyone around you has been vaccinated are slim...

That's a nice story and I thank you for it. However, it does reveal a logical fallacy...........