[Taj44]

Originally Posted by Ajack

...Also many of my new neighbors never heard of Gary Morse or the so-called incident.That must tell you something.

It sure tells me something - since everyone else is talking about it, they are really out of the loop and obviously don't keep up with the latest news. Maybe they've been too busy unpacking to watch television or read a newspaper.

[redwitch]

Ajack, don't know about anyone else, but I've never said I hate the Morses -- just don't like their greed factor -- and I've yet to read a single post where someone said they hated the Morses. Regardless of their character, TV is a wonderful place to live and that is because the majority of people who live here are truly wonderful. Why should someone leave just because they don't like the developer? It doesn't mean they don't love their home or their neighbors or their community.

[ricthemic]

Suggestion One: Shawdow consider goingn to Gracie's TOTV house party.
Suggestion Two: Talk Host please adjust your posting times to reflect day light savings

[Ajack]

Originally Posted by redwitch

Ajack, don't know about anyone else, but I've never said I hate the Morses -- just don't like their greed factor -- and I've yet to read a single post where someone said they hated the Morses. Regardless of their character, TV is a wonderful place to live and that is because the majority of people who live here are truly wonderful. Why should someone leave just because they don't like the developer? It doesn't mean they don't love their home or their neighbors or their community.

Maybe hate was too strong, but of course, you knew what I meant. My post was said with my tongue in cheek. People here keep saying the same thing over and over again about the man's character. Well, all I'm saying is that if these people have the audacity to question someones character, they should also be principled enough to do something about it.
As for greed, the rich get rich because they have the nerve and vision to invest into something they believe in. It took mountains of money to build this place that we call home. He could have lost as much as he made. This is America. People say that in England, they envy the well to do, and they are amazed that here in the USA people admire the successful.
That is who we are. Some people call it greed, and some people call it smart business. Think how many people are riding on Mr. Morse's coattails.
How many jobs has he created? All I know is that I am grateful for this lovely place, that I now call home.

[jojo]

I find this post offensive, particularly the title. The issue has been discussed and all this post does is stir the pot unnecessarily.

[Talk Host]

Originally Posted by ricthemic

suggestion two: Talk host please adjust your posting times to reflect day light savings

huh?

[golfnut]

redwitch, i agree with most of your posts, but you need to explain this one you posted,

"I know it is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, but everything I've read screams guilty. If I were on a jury in Montana for this case, I would have to be excused because I do believe all of the events occurred and I know them to be illegal."

How can you possibly pass judgement based on what you have read on the internet.

Shadow, why did you feel the need to post an article that has already been debated on this forum ad nauseum for the past week. I live in the village of Belvedere, as another poster asked in this thread, what village do you live in...gn

[TJ CHICAGO]

I knew this day would happen! I met Gracie for the first time this week and mention that the person who I really enjoy reading on this site is "The Shadow." The Shadow will always tell us what he/she dislikes about the Villages. We need a Village critic to remind us that the Villages is not heaven and has faults like everything else in this world. I can assure you "Shadow" that Gracie is not on the Morse Payroll. However Gracie is on the payroll of enjoying life by having a home in the Villages and enjoying new friendships. Just recently, I have bought a home in the Villages and I'm trying to be like Gracie. In two weeks, I have enjoyed the Villages' activities and meeting new people. Maybe someday I will meet The Shadow and whisper "lets have a cup a coffee and discuss our life experiences."

[redwitch]

golfnut -- I'm usually one of those people who truly gives others the benefit of the doubt and I'm surprised by my reaction to this. Heck, I've been fairer to Kacee Anderson in that I do believe she probably did it but I want all of the known facts before making my decision. But not this time. This time it is guilty until proven innocent for me. Not proud of it, but it is what it is.

So, I'll try to explain why I believe the charges. This was a long investigation. I'm sure that part of that was because Food & Game people have so little power that they really have to have their ducks in a row. That's reason one. I have friends in Montana and Wyoming and have been there many times to camp, hunt, just hang out. They all hate the "gentlemen" ranchers who buy but don't work the ranches -- they treat their ranches like private game preserves. Rainey and Morse fit this group to a tee. That's reason two. From what I've seen and heard of the Morses, there is a sense of entitlement. That's reason three. Also, my comments are not just based on what I've read on the internet. I called one of my friends -- they own a ranch right next "door" to the Morse/Rainey ranch. They're only mad it took so long to charge this group. They've known of the activities for a long time (or so I was told -- I really do take what I read and see with a large grain of salt). That's reason four. So, given my visceral reaction and my personal knowledge of the judicial system (pretty extensive), poaching (limited) and Montana (enough to understand their attitudes), I do believe they are guilty as charged. Mind you, I do not want them sentenced without a fair trial if they choose they route (which I doubt will be the case), which is why I said I would have to be excused from the jury.

[graciegirl]

Red. You mean Casey Anthony?

[redwitch]

Uh-huh -- got Casey and Kaylee confused and put them together (hey, it's early!).

[samhass]

Originally Posted by redwitch

golfnut -- I'm usually one of those people who truly gives others the benefit of the doubt and I'm surprised by my reaction to this. Heck, I've been fairer to Kacee Anderson in that I do believe she probably did it but I want all of the known facts before making my decision. But not this time. This time it is guilty until proven innocent for me. Not proud of it, but it is what it is.

So, I'll try to explain why I believe the charges. This was a long investigation. I'm sure that part of that was because Food & Game people have so little power that they really have to have their ducks in a row. That's reason one. I have friends in Montana and Wyoming and have been there many times to camp, hunt, just hang out. They all hate the "gentlemen" ranchers who buy but don't work the ranches -- they treat their ranches like private game preserves. Rainey and Morse fit this group to a tee. That's reason two. From what I've seen and heard of the Morses, there is a sense of entitlement. That's reason three. Also, my comments are not just based on what I've read on the internet. I called one of my friends -- they own a ranch right next "door" to the Morse/Rainey ranch. They're only mad it took so long to charge this group. They've known of the activities for a long time (or so I was told -- I really do take what I read and see with a large grain of salt). That's reason four. So, given my visceral reaction and my personal knowledge of the judicial system (pretty extensive), poaching (limited) and Montana (enough to understand their attitudes), I do believe they are guilty as charged. Mind you, I do not want them sentenced without a fair trial if they choose they route (which I doubt will be the case), which is why I said I would have to be excused from the jury.

I don't know, Red, saying "They all hate the "gentlemen" ranchers who buy but don't work the ranches -- " really? Or are they jealous? And as for the entitlement, these men have worked hard and I'm sure at this point they do feel some sense of entitlement. I certainly would. Not to poach game mind you, but entitlement to enjoy the finer things in life.
Again, if Montana was so concerned about the loss of these animals, why not bring it to these men,in no uncertain terms, early in the game? Or do you wait until you can really sock it to them with very heavy fines and possible incarceration? Then it becomes more about money and revenge rather than saving the animals.
Hmmmm, consider this. If they are charged with felonies maybe they can run for powerful political offices.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by BobKat1

Does anyone know if this is an ongoing hot topic throughout TV, or mainly here on TOTV?

I'm curious to know how widespread the topic/discussion is. Thanks.

We live in Vermont which is also a big hunting state. Deer hunting season has just begun. Anyone experienced with hunting would know that a license is required.

Those who own land in Montana, Colorado, Oregon or other western state should also know that they need a license to hunt, whether or not they own the land.

Animal rights activists would certainly be upset with the way the animals were left. I , personally, would not want to kill any animal although hubby did go up to deer hunting camp faithfully for decades. I did show the story from the Orlando Sentinel to him.

I see nothing wrong with Shadow posting a hyperlink to this news. We still do have freedom to read whatever we please, even in the Villages, correct?

We are definitely planning to visit TV to decide once and for all whether it will be apples or oranges for our golden years. First, we have to welcome our fourth grandchild this coming spring. Life is what happens when you are making other plans. But TV does seem to have so much going for it.....but sometimes I wonder about the freedom of thought and freedom of speech aspect.

Red? With your experience with courts have you ever served on a jury?

Every time I have been summoned for jury service as soon as I tell them I have a law degree someone challenges me and bumps me from the jury pool. This happened in Sonoma County (@1995), Pinellas County (2003), and just this year at the Federal Courthouse in Ocala which covers federal cases Marion, Sumter and Lake Counties.

I did not even bother with Sumter County's drive down to the County Seat when a summons looked imminent. I mentioned I had a law degree to the County Clerk and got bumped from the jury pool.

The Federal case looked really interesting too and would have loved to have heard the lawyers arguments about employment discrimination based on a Lake County cop's use of the Spanish language in his various police reports.

I have no real opinion about the Morse family or friends guilt with respect to poaching yet. I need to see more of the particular facts without any slant on them. Need to know the Who, What, Where, When, Why and How of the case(s).

[Ajack]

Yes, England's fascination with the rich and famous seems to be our inheritance here in the States. Then comes class envy. Then comes.........well, best left unsaid or it would then become political.

Seems to me that some people are dissatisfied with their own lot in life and need to bring other's to their level.