[redwitch]

Contra Costa County really didn't care if you worked in the legal field, including having a law degree. So, I served on a civil jury, a criminal trial and a one week stint as a grand juror (ask me how to make meth -- I now know it intimately; there was a case about it every day with the same testimony every time).

Sam, I think we all have a sense of entitlement, but Rainey and the Morses put themselves above the law when they hunted without a license and there's no excuse for that type of entitlement. And, no, I don't think it is jealousy that eats at the Montana ranchers. Most of them are pretty well off in their own rights -- you can't own the spreads they do without being successful. The smaller ranchers are probably another story, but not the ones that I know. They want their neighbors to be there, to join in on the round-ups (actually, quite fun), the barbeques, etc. For someone to buy a ranch simply so they and their friends can hunt on it is not what they want for neighbors. They really do want the ranches to be working ranches and they don't want them owned by corporations or those who don't care about the environment of their community. I've heard many discussions about this in the past (haven't been there in a few years, so have no idea what's being said now but I can only imagine it's gotten worse).

I do agree it would have been nice had they charged everyone much earlier. I have no idea why it took so long, but I imagine part of it is making sure the charges would stick. The FDA really doesn't have much clout (and why in heck is hunting under the auspices of the FDA is beyond me), so investigations have to be extremely thorough. Another factor could be the "shotgun" approach -- the more charges against the culprits, the better chance of making something stick. Another part is probably they wanted to up the ante on the charges. Just getting them for one season would probably not leave on impact on the next group who decide to hunt without a license, so it does make sense for the charges to be over a couple of seasons, but I'm not convinced 4 years was necessary other than to try to add more to the coffers.

What's interesting to me is how the undercover investigator is being criticized -- not for waiting so long to bring the charges but for killing a sheep (big horn?) out of season. Think he'd have a hard time hunting with this group if he didn't hunt when they did but that seems to be irrelevant to Montanans. Some want charges brought against him, too.

[nitehawk]

One person post information found in a article from the Orlando Sentinel - then the next five people jump all over him. If you don't like the post don't read it or post anything to keep it going - or maybe its the number of posts you have and are in the running for first place?? then post something like I agree or I disagree, that will give you another post I think to be in first place you have to be on this site more time then I have to give - i have a life and things to do sorry- as for the Orlando Sentinel dislike maybe it because of Lauren Ritchie (this is a link to the original story http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,2191208.story you will see at the bottom of the article "Christine Show, Lauren Ritchie and Martin Comas of the Sentinel contributed to this story." so keep reading the Daily Mail and stay well informed because what the Daily Mail reports is the real world. that all i have to say -- don't shoot the messenger - just sit back -- enjoy -- have another glass of Kool Aid - sorry maybe too much Kool Aid

[bkcunningham1]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

We live in Vermont which is also a big hunting state. Deer hunting season has just begun. Anyone experienced with hunting would know that a license is required.

Those who own land in Montana, Colorado, Oregon or other western state should also know that they need a license to hunt, whether or not they own the land.

Animal rights activists would certainly be upset with the way the animals were left. I , personally, would not want to kill any animal although hubby did go up to deer hunting camp faithfully for decades. I did show the story from the Orlando Sentinel to him.

I see nothing wrong with Shadow posting a hyperlink to this news. We still do have freedom to read whatever we please, even in the Villages, correct?

We are definitely planning to visit TV to decide once and for all whether it will be apples or oranges for our golden years. First, we have to welcome our fourth grandchild this coming spring. Life is what happens when you are making other plans. But TV does seem to have so much going for it.....but sometimes I wonder about the freedom of thought and freedom of speech aspect.

I'm just curious, do you need a license to hunt on your own land in Vermont?

[pooh]

Originally Posted by nitehawk

One person post information found in a article from the Orlando Sentinel - then the next five people jump all over him. If you don't like the post don't read it or post anything to keep it going - or maybe its the number of posts you have and are in the running for first place?? then post something like I agree or I disagree, that will give you another post I think to be in first place you have to be on this site more time then I have to give - i have a life and things to do sorry- as for the Orlando Sentinel dislike maybe it because of Lauren Ritchie (this is a link to the original story http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,2191208.story you will see at the bottom of the article "Christine Show, Lauren Ritchie and Martin Comas of the Sentinel contributed to this story." so keep reading the Daily Mail and stay well informed because what the Daily Mail reports is the real world. that all i have to say -- don't shoot the messenger - just sit back -- enjoy -- have another glass of Kool Aid - sorry maybe too much Kool Aid

One can question motives for such a post and I for one, questioned why it was posted. You're right, by my responding I'm keeping this disgusting event in the limelight, BUT I did not get an answer to my question and if nothing, I'm persistent.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

I'm just curious, do you need a license to hunt on your own land in Vermont?

I'll check and get back to you. My husband would spend the first hunting weekend after Veterans Day at the camp which his friend built from scratch. Unless I'm mistaken, I'm fairly certain he told me that the fellow needed a license to hunt. The friend's aunt owned the land. I will check.

Bow hunting might be different than rifle hunting. Again, I'm not the hunter.
Bow hunting starts earlier in the autumn than rifle.

Neither of my children cared to hunt as they loved animals too much.
Personally, I've only had venison once....but it is a big deal amongst the native Vermonters.

Many people feel you should only kill an animal if you truly need the meat to survive. In that case, before I shot one, I'd become a vegan, no doubt about it. However, hunters will always say that our MacDonalds burger or what have you had a "face" once too.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

I'll check and get back to you. My husband would spend the first hunting weekend after Veterans Day at the camp which his friend built from scratch. Unless I'm mistaken, I'm fairly certain he told me that the fellow needed a license to hunt. The friend's aunt owned the land. I will check.

Bow hunting might be different than rifle hunting. Again, I'm not the hunter.
Bow hunting starts earlier in the autumn than rifle.

Neither of my children cared to hunt as they loved animals too much.
Personally, I've only had venison once....but it is a big deal amongst the native Vermonters.

Many people feel you should only kill an animal if you truly need the meat to survive. In that case, before I shot one, I'd become a vegan, no doubt about it. However, hunters will always say that our MacDonalds burger or what have you had a "face" once too.

There is a lot to agree with in your post Senior Citizen. I think a lot of us would shift to being vegetarians if we read headlines like "Publix employee takes meat cleaver to legs of dead cow".

[LuvItHere]

Originally Posted by nitehawk

One person post information found in a article from the Orlando Sentinel - then the next five people jump all over him. If you don't like the post don't read it or post anything to keep it going - or maybe its the number of posts you have and are in the running for first place?? then post something like I agree or I disagree, . . as for the Orlando Sentinel dislike maybe it because of Lauren Ritchie (this is a link to the original story http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,2191208.story you will see at the bottom of the article "Christine Show, Lauren Ritchie and Martin Comas of the Sentinel contributed to this story." so keep reading the Daily Mail . . . have another glass of Kool Aid - sorry maybe too much Kool Aid

Lauren Richie stated, in another thread here, that it is her JOB to put slant on what she writes because she is a "columnist paid to write in such a way that it convinces readers" of her slant . . . which is bias. I think everyone here knows that her disdain for the Morses' political party is the motive for her bias.

So why, when she writes in a "news" story, should we believe that this is objective, fact-only reporting and not sensationalism meant to convince readers of her slant against "The Rich"???

[senior citizen]

My husband has not replied to my email asking again if a Vermont land owner needs a license to hunt on his own land. Originally he told me that they did.

However, I did check with the Vermont Wildlife Department, sending them an email.
No reply yet. Their website does not mention it at all, one way or the other.

I've googled it and nothing at all shows up for a Vermont land owner to be able to hunt without a license. Free hunting licenses are available to Vermont residents serving in the military. In some states, residents over age 70 can hunt for free.

I'm hoping the Vermont Wildlife will answer soon as I'd like to know now. We have a family of deer that cross through our back property for at least 16 years now. Shooting them in a residential area would be prohibited. There are apple orchards fairly close by and this entire area was once a big apple orchard......so they must be creatures of habit.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

There is a lot to agree with in your post Senior Citizen. I think a lot of us would shift to being vegetarians if we read headlines like "Publix employee takes meat cleaver to legs of dead cow".

Ayup, however, I'm no expert but doesn't the butcher have to use some type of cleaver to cut through the bones. So much of the meat comes already packaged but some butcher someplace is using an electric gizmo which might be similar to a chainsaw. Any retired butchers out there?

I'm guessing again as I'm no hunter myself, but I think the deer in Vermont are taken home and hung up to age before they butcher them. Anyone know ? Some do it themselves and it wouldn't surprise me at all in the State of Vermont if the guys did use a chainsaw. Others took it to a butcher and I have no idea what they use to cut through the bones and carcass,etc.

My husband always defended his hunting with the fact that we all eat beef and chicken and other forms of meat that were once walking around before being killed. But that is another subject entirely.

The article in the paper was on trophy hunting not on the need for food.

[BobKat1]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

There is a lot to agree with in your post Senior Citizen. I think a lot of us would shift to being vegetarians if we read headlines like "Publix employee takes meat cleaver to legs of dead cow".

I'll say one thing, if nothing else, the title of this thread is certainly an attention grabber.

[Ajack]

I could be wrong but I think butchers use a machine similar to a bandsaw.

[K9-Lovers]

Gracie, how do you imagine the butcher cuts those pretty t-bone steaks? They use a very large table saw that is similar to the kind you husband has in his workshop. The legs have to come off somehow.

[graciegirl]

My uncle Ernie was a butcher. He was in the era of non electric dismemberment.

Ewwwww.

[K9-Lovers]

Somehow, the non-electric dismemberment seems more respectful.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

I'm just curious, do you need a license to hunt on your own land in Vermont?

Hello again,
I really did try to find an answer to your question, however, now even my husband is unsure and thinks maybe Vermont land owners can hunt without a license but only during the short hunting season.....not year round. He doesn''t know for certain.

The Vermont Wildlife Hunting & Fishing link has not yet answered my email.

I cannot find a definitive answer to your question....although I did learn a lot about the deer population and who can apply for a license. No info on who is allowed to hunt without a license, if at all. There are free licenses.

Perhaps someone else does know.