[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by justjim

Me too waiting for an EV that I can take on a road trip and safely go 700 - 800 miles without stopping two or three times for several minutes to charge. For short 100 or 200 mile trips they are ok and fun but still not what I would call a road car. Meanwhile, I can see a hybrid as a possible alternative.

With their horsepower and acceleration, I think an EV could be a coffin for most teenagers to be driving. Just saying…

Well, teenagers were probably racing their horses against each other 200 years ago, so...

As these and similar "debates" are wont to do, they devolve into "either-or" types of arguments. That is particularly illogical when the discussions involve EV vs. ICE. I remember looking at I-75 live footage during the run-up to Milton. It was a parking lot! I remember thinking that someone (probably quite a few someones) in an EV stuck out there in traffic barely moving at all, especially as a lot of that traffic included folks fleeing the wrath of the upcoming hurricane, was probably experiencing terminal range anxiety. But truth be told it was probably more anxiety than reality. Florida is warm. Their EV probably got most of them to their intended destination, maybe three or four hours late.

But I've seen the same kind of traffic in states where a blizzard can knot up traffic for many hours. And in a situation like that, if you're in an EV, that anxiety can all too often translate into reality. A blizzard in northern MN can whip winds at you of 40-50 mph, and that along with reduced or virtually no visibility can make keeping your car between the ditches a real sphincter-clenching experience. And most blizzards are followed by cold. Often, pretty severe cold. I remember a blizzard some years back that deposited 40" of snow in Duluth, MN, followed by temps in the minus 50 degrees F. actual (windchills approaching -100). All EVs, including Teslas, become less efficient in cold conditions, Teslas less than most other EVs (up to 30% loss), but as the cold temps lower, so does the overall efficiency.

Yes. EVs are fine for some people. In some situations. But I'd far rather be that guy in an EV in that line of cars on I-75 just before Milton, than I would in the same EV in any one of a dozen or so upper-tier states when snow, wind and cold are the adversaries.

[The_Oracle]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Well, teenagers were probably racing their horses against each other 200 years ago, so...

As these and similar "debates" are wont to do, they devolve into "either-or" types of arguments. That is particularly illogical when the discussions involve EV vs. ICE. I remember looking at I-75 live footage during the run-up to Milton. It was a parking lot! I remember thinking that someone (probably quite a few someones) in an EV stuck out there in traffic barely moving at all, especially as a lot of that traffic included folks fleeing the wrath of the upcoming hurricane, was probably experiencing terminal range anxiety. But truth be told it was probably more anxiety than reality. Florida is warm. Their EV probably got most of them to their intended destination, maybe three or four hours late.

But I've seen the same kind of traffic in states where a blizzard can knot up traffic for many hours. And in a situation like that, if you're in an EV, that anxiety can all too often translate into reality. A blizzard in northern MN can whip winds at you of 40-50 mph, and that along with reduced or virtually no visibility can make keeping your car between the ditches a real sphincter-clenching experience. And most blizzards are followed by cold. Often, pretty severe cold. I remember a blizzard some years back that deposited 40" of snow in Duluth, MN, followed by temps in the minus 50 degrees F. actual (windchills approaching -100). All EVs, including Teslas, become less efficient in cold conditions, Teslas less than most other EVs (up to 30% loss), but as the cold temps lower, so does the overall efficiency.

Yes. EVs are fine for some people. In some situations. But I'd far rather be that guy in an EV in that line of cars on I-75 just before Milton, than I would in the same EV in any one of a dozen or so upper-tier states when snow, wind and cold are the adversaries.

When an EV is not moving in traffic it uses very little energy thus range does not decrease by much. Your logic is better applied to an ICE vehicle not an EV. However I am sure the chargers were backed up along the route but slow traffic is not an issue.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by The_Oracle

When an EV is not moving in traffic it uses very little energy thus range does not decrease by much. Your logic is better applied to an ICE vehicle not an EV. However I am sure the chargers were backed up along the route but slow traffic is not an issue.

So you set with A/C or heat off?

[FredMitchell]

High acceleration (from higher horsepower / torque) is very useful for reach traffic speed quickly from far less (maybe even 0). Merging onto interstates with the much shorter ramps than they had in the 60's. Right turns at red lights. Passing on undivided highways. More is better until you near the traction limits of the tires.

[The_Oracle]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

So you set with A/C or heat off?

Compared with moving a vehicle ac is in the noise. Tesla uses a heat pump as well for heat and air. They did the cold weather snowed in test and the EV survived much longer. So the cold weather is a myth.

[The_Oracle]

Originally Posted by FredMitchell

High acceleration (from higher horsepower / torque) is very useful for reach traffic speed quickly from far less (maybe even 0). Merging onto interstates with the much shorter ramps than they had in the 60's. Right turns at red lights. Passing on undivided highways. More is better until you near the traction limits of the tires.

The model 3 is sublime in traffic

[JMintzer]

Another EV vs ICE car thread that will change no one's mind...

I'm beginning to miss the "dog poop" threads...

[The_Oracle]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Another EV vs ICE car thread that will change no one's mind...

I'm beginning to miss the "dog poop" threads...

Well somebody better change the politicians' minds quick or it will not matter what anybody else's mind thinks.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Another EV vs ICE car thread that will change no one's mind...

I'm beginning to miss the "dog poop" threads...

KEEP OFF MY LAWN!

Did that make you feel better? 😀

[biker1]

If you are concerned about whether you will be able to buy an ICE car in the future then I would not worry. ICE cars should be around for another 20 years or so.

Originally Posted by The_Oracle

Well somebody better change the politicians' minds quick or it will not matter what anybody else's mind thinks.

[Byte1]

Some folks just can't drive, period. An unfortunate argument FOR a driverless vehicle.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by The_Oracle

Compared with moving a vehicle ac is in the noise. Tesla uses a heat pump as well for heat and air. They did the cold weather snowed in test and the EV survived much longer. So the cold weather is a myth.

Myth if you can go over 100-150 miles in subzero weather, heater or air takes battery energy they NO way around it.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by The_Oracle

Well somebody better change the politicians' minds quick or it will not matter what anybody else's mind thinks.

You do know model T still running. But Stanley steamer and electric’s of that time been melted down.

[Dave951]

Good thing the battery didn't catch fire

[bopat]

I just love my Tesla has as much horsepower as a Corvette, and doesn't look as crappy as a Corvette