[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

Agreed. Just keep rolling slowly and make sure that it is staying up before you start to go under. I don't stop and wait for the gate to come down when exiting St. James. I move through the gate and any waiting carts get to cross behind me.

Now - This only applies to exit gates where the carts cross on the inside of the gate. Bridgeport gates, for example, have the carts crossing outside of the exit gates. In this case, a cart may reasonable expect that the gate is going to close after the car passes. A caravanning car may not be seen and a conflict can happen.

The cart path at Bridgeport at Lake Miona is inside the gate. Caravaning through that entry gate is most assuredly a high risk move endangering cart drivers. It is a blind entry with no ability to see the cart path until well inside past the gate!!!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

Agreed. Just keep rolling slowly and make sure that it is staying up before you start to go under. I don't stop and wait for the gate to come down when exiting St. James. I move through the gate and any waiting carts get to cross behind me.

Now - This only applies to exit gates where the carts cross on the inside of the gate. Bridgeport gates, for example, have the carts crossing outside of the exit gates. In this case, a cart may reasonable expect that the gate is going to close after the car passes. A caravanning car may not be seen and a conflict can happen.

I haven't gone through the Bridgeport exit gate. Does it come down in a timely manner? Can the people in carts see the gate come down? If they can see the gate, wouldn't they wait to see the gate come down rather than proceeding and causing an accident?

[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by billethkid

The cart path at Bridgeport at Lake Miona is inside the gate. Caravaning through that entry gate is most assuredly a high risk move endangering cart drivers. It is a blind entry with no ability to see the cart path until well inside past the gate!!!

I was speaking of the exit gate at Bridgeport of Lake Sumter.

[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I haven't gone through the Bridgeport exit gate. Does it come down in a timely manner? Can the people in carts see the gate come down? If they can see the gate, wouldn't they wait to see the gate come down rather than proceeding and causing an accident?

This is the gate that they recently made some changes to. Most notably, removal of two speed bumps. Other changes improved visibility. And, the programing of the gate was changed to attempt to better control car traffic exiting though the gate and into the intersection. Not sure what it does now, but in the past it could start to close and then open up again without going all the way down (as do other exit gates. This is not a problem where the carts cross on the inside (village side), but it certainly can be where carts cross on the outside (round-a-bout side).

[billethkid]

When you get a chance...go through the entrance gate to the village of Bridgeport at Lake Miona.

You will note you cannot see the cart path to the left until well inside the gate and on the path.

Then note what the cart driver can(not) see....coming from the left...the gate and whether the arm is up or down or if there is a car there.

The problem is more precarious than the Bridgeport at Lake Sumter exit before being modified.

Try it.

[dirtbanker]

Originally Posted by poster

I haven't gone through the Bridgeport exit gate. Does it come down in a timely manner? Can the people in carts see the gate come down? If they can see the gate, wouldn't they wait to see the gate come down rather than proceeding and causing an accident?

I am getting the impression; NONE of the gates operate in a "timely manner" for this poster...

The people in the carts waiting; might have seen a few impatient snow birds (in cars) drive thru a gate (that took more than FIFTEEN seconds!) and those in the cart have decided they can afford the few seconds to make sure the car is actually going to stop.


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[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by billethkid

When you get a chance...go through the entrance gate to the village of Bridgeport at Lake Miona.

You will note you cannot see the cart path to the left until well inside the gate and on the path.

Then note what the cart driver can(not) see....coming from the left...the gate and whether the arm is up or down or if there is a car there.

The problem is more precarious than the Bridgeport at Lake Sumter exit before being modified.

Try it.

Have you attended a PWAC meeting and voiced your concerns? That led to the modifications at the other Bridgeport gate.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by dirtbanker

I am getting the impression; NONE of the gates operate in a "timely manner" for this poster...

The people in the carts waiting; might have seen a few impatient snow birds (in cars) drive thru a gate (that took more than FIFTEEN seconds!) and those in the cart have decided they can afford the few seconds to make sure the car is actually going to stop.


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No, that is not true. The entrance gates at Mallory and Odel Circle south come down very quickly. There is absolutely no opportunity to caravan through these entrance gates. I wish all the gates operated in this timely fashion. That way, every car would have to use their gate pass to enter and exit a village.

[New Englander]

In my opinion, caravanning is wrong no matter how fast or slow the gate operates.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by New Englander

In my opinion, caravanning is wrong no matter how fast or slow the gate operates.

Have you been through the Mallory exit gate? Sometimes, I think it will never come down when there is a car approaching. It just plays a bouncing game but does not come down. Are you saying you still would not go through with the gate staying up? In a sense, that is caravanning with the car that went through before you......not letting the gate come down and have your card scanned to raise the gate.

I realize, some of these gate do not function the way they are designed to. Why is it some folks insist it is wrong to go through the gate without having your card scanned? You would sit there all day on principle.

[Polar Bear]

I've never had an entrance gate...where you have to use your card...stay up so long I felt delayed. And I live in Mallory. I might swipe before it's all the way down. But I always swipe, never caravan. No problem or delay at all.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Have you been through the Mallory exit gate? Sometimes, I think it will never come down when there is a car approaching. It just plays a bouncing game but does not come down. Are you saying you still would not go through with the gate staying up? In a sense, that is caravanning with the car that went through before you......not letting the gate come down and have your card scanned to raise the gate.

I realize, some of these gate do not function the way they are designed to. Why is it some folks insist it is wrong to go through the gate without having your card scanned? You would sit there all day on principle.

The highlighted sentences above above attempt to shift the intent of the original post query.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by billethkid

The highlighted sentences above above attempt to shift the intent of the original post query.

Agree. Th discussion has shifted from waving on a cart driver (which I am now aware is the absolute wrong thing to do) to how the exit gates are delayed in coming down.

I guess you just have to hit the gate right (no pun intended) and be in a spot where the eye is evidently capturing the "object" and will not come down. For a very short time (maybe a couple of days) I thought the Mallory exit gate was fixed because it did come down very quickly after a car went through with no room at all to caravan. That didn't last long however as it seems the exit gate is back to its usual ways and stays up if a car has approached it.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by billethkid

The highlighted sentences above above attempt to shift the intent of the original post query.

I agree with you, and that's why I asked OP if she meant coming into the gate (i.e., card must be scanned) or going out, where card isn't scanned.

In my mind there is a huge difference. I would never caravan going in, where you need to scan your card. At our St. James gate, a sign on the gate arm says it comes fully down after each car.

On the way out there is no such sign, and if each car in a line of exiting cars stopped to wait for the gate to come down, the golf cart drivers would be very confused, because their crossing path is before the exit gate arm.

[MorTech]

I don't think you are suppose to caravan thru the Exit gate...If the Exit side gate is removed, TV will put up a Stop sign at the gate. I just assume every car exiting will caravan.

When I am waiting to cross on the MMP, I will yield to all cars exiting until one of them slows and waves me thru to the center median...And then I will wave back to acknowledge them letting me cross. Cars always have the right of way.

But Please...Don't be "nice" and wave people on ( I don't care how pretty she is ) that violates right of way. Bad things can happen and it can be your fault if an accident occurs.