[rsimpson]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

I just built a financial model for retirement decision making, ie: When to take SS, take out IRA/ keep working, for a cash flow analysis, including federal taxes, std deduction changes, expenses, pensions, IRA balances and bond payoff along with auto replacement, insurances, roof replacements, etc. .

for the next 20 years for anyone to use. . testing it out tonight with a neighbor who just lost his job here in TV, and is 62, so needs some help making a decision. .

What i found in reproducing the Bond payoff amount by year, is that the numbers published on the district web site are pretty funky. . . doesn't fit the typical amortization schedule as presented. . its weird as the District interest and principal total is $1,790 versus the $1,824 as calculated by the excel formula, and tested out and its correct. .

Below is the comparison between excel amortization calculated schedule for the first 4 years, against the district schedule. . . I can't figure out what they are doing, and i suspect there are some cell adjustments which is why the schedule is a pdf, and the interest and principal totals are different. .

Here is the snapshot, any financial types help me out here?

Here is the link to the original schedule
https://www.districtgov.org/departme...Unit%2020V.pdf

Timing of the payment(s) could also be affecting schedule. Is Payment at START or END od period.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Nevinator

Has the bond amount been increased to $50k? The last I heard it was $30k. I’m planning on purchasing a lot within the next 60 days and if this fee has increased that will factor into my decision as to whether to buy new or used. Thanks.

It is higher. In area 84 have heard it is up to $ 71k.

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by RRGuyNJ

The more I read about this bond nonsense, the more I see it as a deal breaker. I'm not a fan of HOA environments any way, but then add this bond to the mix and I don't see how they sell any homes at all. What am I missing? Other HOA communities don't have this set up. Yeah Yeah I know it's not technically an HOA but everyone knows it pretty much is.

Another “The Villages is done” post. Their business model has worked, we will soon hear about a village selling out in 2 hours soon.
Um, you’re from NJ, based on your user name. So you are okay paying the highest property taxes in the country, but not paying LOW property taxes and a bond, that can be paid off at any time?

The bond and HOA are like comparing apples to pork chops - they are not related at all. Bond is for infrastructure, HOA fees are for maintenance of common areas of the Association and the homes/condo building.
Monthly Amenity fees are to the operating costs of the amenities (which do include maintenance).

The deed covenants are in place to be sure your neighbor doesn’t paint their house yellow with flamingos on the walls.

[petsetc]

Having read and occasionally comment on bond threads through the years, the way I look at it is, the bond funded the initial infrastructure, most developers just add this cost to the house, but The Villages makes it a assumable "second mortgage" that can be retired any year. It allows The Villages to charge more for a house without appearing too out of line since the infrastructure cost is "hidden" in the bond, not the house price.

As for the cost and the county admin fee, if you pay your taxes in November, you get a 4% discount on the whole amount. But wait, the bond holder isn't giving you a discount, therefore the 4% off your bond payment must be made up. I suspect that comes from the (also discounted) admin fee.

Finally, based on historic investment returns, I see no reason to pay off the bond (or to not have a mortgage) but many people would rather be totally "debt-free" - I truly personal choice.

FWIW

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

not sure how two years interest free plays into it, as the payoff periods are still 30, count them, and there is no interest accrual on the schedule, which would be misleading.

The question would be when did they float the actual bond, and what is the schedule for interest payments to the bond holders. . . i guess that would play into this somehow. . .

things that make one go hmmmm, but not keep one up at night.

In financings nothing free. You either pay in front or out the end. Another key note I’ve learned the money in interest, how it figured, and compounded. they don’t want you to pay it off. Then there the very fine print, lots and lots of fine print.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by petsetc

Having read and occasionally comment on bond threads through the years, the way I look at it is, the bond funded the initial infrastructure, most developers just add this cost to the house, but The Villages makes it a assumable "second mortgage" that can be retired any year. It allows The Villages to charge more for a house without appearing too out of line since the infrastructure cost is "hidden" in the bond, not the house price.

As for the cost and the county admin fee, if you pay your taxes in November, you get a 4% discount on the whole amount. But wait, the bond holder isn't giving you a discount, therefore the 4% off your bond payment must be made up. I suspect that comes from the (also discounted) admin fee.

Finally, based on historic investment returns, I see no reason to pay off the bond (or to not have a mortgage) but many people would rather be totally "debt-free" - I truly personal choice.

FWIW

IMO it’s way double dip.